Proved: Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. is mentioned in the Bible

[columbus]

I see what you're saying, but if we want to have a fair debate we should at least let him answer the questions and give him a chance to speak.

Plus he is headed into exams and should be focusing on his schoolwork.
Taking on the global apologetics community can wait until late March.

Tom

 

[suncowiam]

Dawood,

Take your time here. =)

There are branches of education that devote itself to communication and debating so it is an important skill to learn.

Over time, you will pick this up but pace yourself so you can keep your constructive energy but most importantly, your state of mind and body.

Do you have a teacher or mentor that could help pace you?

At your age, if I had entered these debates, I think my head would have blown up. =)

 

[outhouse]

I see what you're saying, but if we want to have a fair debate we should at least let him answer the questions and give him a chance to speak.

Im using gloves

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

dawoodahmad11 said: Simply, spirit of Truth is a symbolical word which mean spirit of Muhammad S.A.W.A.W.

I believe Jesus said "I am the Way the Truth and the Life." THat identifies Jesus as the Spirit of Truth and He does go on to say that. Mohammed never claimed to be the Truth and could not becasue it is an attribute of God.

Its completely lacking sense, How will Jesus glorify Himself?

What "new things" are you asking about?

"THE MANY THINGS" of the verse

Do you want to present the Koran says is the original ???
You do not know anything ???
1. Othman Ibn Affan Muslim Caliph
2. This Caliph thirty burned a copy of the Aqrank
3. The existing version is the version of the Ottoman
4. Koran in its original version written in Arabic script, which does not have points on the characters
5. This is a very big problem
6. who put points on the Arabic letters is the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik Ibn Marwan
7. Here is a big problem
8. Muslim says that the original copy of the Koran is in heaven in the archives board in the sky
9 = OK (Is that version heavenly words written by an Arab points) or written Arabic words which no points (
Wait answer you

Please spell the name correctly "Usman"

And what is this are you asking? These 9 points also have a complete lack of sense

I believe this is as far from the truth as one can get. I don't deal in fantasies and it does make sense in arguing about someone's intellectual perambulations but I will give it a shot. There is absolutely no evidence of Mohammed in the Bible. There is no evidence that the verses that Mohammedans like to think are corrupt are really corrupt.

Agreed.

I think corrupt is a bad word to use here. More like not understanding how the books were written and perceived to have errors, based on personal interpretation.
Theology is easy to take out of context.

As said before, please don't be emotional, just answer the questions of my very first post on the thread.

All right, folks. I think we should lay off him for a while. We've given him enough to answer for; let's not bombard the poor kid. He won't know where to begin.

No questions have been asked, not even a single question.... You just put forth your excitements.
Always feel free to ask

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Dawood,

Take your time here. =)

There are branches of education that devote itself to communication and debating so it is an important skill to learn.

Over time, you will pick this up but pace yourself so you can keep your constructive energy but most importantly, your state of mind and body.

Do you have a teacher or mentor that could help pace you?

At your age, if I had entered these debates, I think my head would have blown up. =)

I started learning religions when I was 5, started web designing when I was 9, now I'm about to complete my book after exams "Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. in the Bible"

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

I apologize to the members of Brothers
I want to ask our friend, a Muslim
dawoodahmad11
writer of this issue following question and answer it in one word (yes ) or (no )
So that we can continue this dialogue
Because without this question Mode dialog be infertile
1. The question is
( Is the gospel which is now in the hands of Christians, and that was in the hands of Christians during the reign of Mohammed ( right ) ???
2. In other words
Do you think that the Gospel distortion, or it is not any distortion ?????
Wait for an answer from you without winding or rotation only one word

According to my estimates, Gospel is 75% corrupted.
Now, 100-75 = 25.
25% is not corrupted/semi corrupted, meaning 25% of it contains Prophecies of Muhammad S.A.W.

Why do we rely on it?
We don't rely on it, As I said before,
Relying on Gospel means practicing it.
Studying Gospel and then relating it with truth doesn't mean relying on it.

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Well -
Christ said ( false prophets will come calling my name )
He also said ( by their fruits you shall know them )
2. if the fruits of Muhammad peace and love
The words correctly
3. But the fruits of Prophet Mohammed is terrorism and fighting and the blood and the spoils of war, women and money and slaves
4 - I considered the leader of India's Jawaharlal Nehru
Better than a prophet Mohammed because he was a leader peacefully
5. If you told me of follow Jawaharlal Nehru or Mohammed
6. I Will Follow Jawaharlal Nehru and considered a prophet carrying the message of peace

Christ never said, "any Prophet who comes after me will be a false Prophet"
All your next points bring tears to eyes, really. You are misunderstanding us..

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Well -
He also said ( by their fruits you shall know them )

Prophet Muhammad's S.A.W. fruits are better than Jesus' fruits.
Quran is more love than Bible
Lets Summarize everything here.

Burning, Terror, Hell - They are used in the Bible 1200+ times
And in Quran only 621 times

Fear, Horrify, Terrify - They are used in Bible 1156 times
And in Quran only 183 times

Destruction, Killing, Murder - They are used in the Bible 2000 times
And in Quran only 185 times

Anger, Hate, Wrath, Despise etc. - They are used in the Bible 2120 times
And in Quran only 74 times

Battles, Fights, Force etc. - They are used in the Bible 3000+ times
And in Quran only 85 times


Now, the Loving Words, Forgive, Hope, Mercy, Rewards - They are used in the Bible only 696 times. Only 696...
And in Quran 1843 time...

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Why would you believe this?
The vast majority of people are not Muslim. I expect that many of the minority of people who identity as Muslim don't believe it either. They just can't say so because they will be punished for expressing what they truly believe. That is what generally happens in Muslim majority places.

Google Raif Badawi to see what happens in modern Islamic places when you say something that the islamists don't want to hear.

Tom

After 18 centuries, and according to you, 20 centuries, there are 34% Christians in the World.
After 20 Centuries, that is in 26th century, there will be more than 48% Muslims in the World.

 

[outhouse]

Lets Summarize everything here.

Yes let place this into proper context.

The bible has roughly 774,746 words.

The Koran roughly 77,934

Yes lets do the math properly and in context. 10X more words in the bible then Koran

So if we adjust the math to keep things in context, it looks more like this.

Burning, Terror, Hell - They are used in the Bible 1200+ times
And in Quran only 6210 times

Fear, Horrify, Terrify - They are used in Bible 1156 times
And in Quran only 1830 times

Destruction, Killing, Murder - They are used in the Bible 2000 times
And in Quran only 1850 times

Anger, Hate, Wrath, Despise etc. - They are used in the Bible 2120 times
And in Quran only 740 times

Battles, Fights, Force etc. - They are used in the Bible 3000+ times
And in Quran only 850 times

 

[outhouse]

No it doesn't

How honest is that?

Islamic mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology. Stories about Musa (Moses)[11] and Ibrahim (Abraham)[12] form parts of Islam's scriptures.


This credible source states islam used the bible and incorporated mythology.

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Yes let place this into proper context.

The bible has roughly 774,746 words.

The Koran roughly 77,934

Yes lets do the math properly and in context. 10X more words in the bible then Koran

So if we adjust the math to keep things in context, it looks more like this.

Burning, Terror, Hell - They are used in the Bible 1200+ times
And in Quran only 6210 times

Fear, Horrify, Terrify - They are used in Bible 1156 times
And in Quran only 1830 times

Destruction, Killing, Murder - They are used in the Bible 2000 times
And in Quran only 1850 times

Anger, Hate, Wrath, Despise etc. - They are used in the Bible 2120 times
And in Quran only 740 times

Battles, Fights, Force etc. - They are used in the Bible 3000+ times
And in Quran only 850 times

Its quitely wrong

 

[Sees]

Yes let place this into proper context.

The bible has roughly 774,746 words.

The Koran roughly 77,934

Yes lets do the math properly and in context. 10X more words in the bible then Koran

So if we adjust the math to keep things in context, it looks more like this.

Burning, Terror, Hell - They are used in the Bible 1200+ times
And in Quran only 6210 times

Fear, Horrify, Terrify - They are used in Bible 1156 times
And in Quran only 1830 times

Destruction, Killing, Murder - They are used in the Bible 2000 times
And in Quran only 1850 times

Anger, Hate, Wrath, Despise etc. - They are used in the Bible 2120 times
And in Quran only 740 times

Battles, Fights, Force etc. - They are used in the Bible 3000+ times
And in Quran only 850 times

That's what I was thinking even then I'm skeptical of the original numbers somebody tallied up...

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Yes let place this into proper context.

The bible has roughly 774,746 words.

The Koran roughly 77,934

Yes lets do the math properly and in context. 10X more words in the bible then Koran

So if we adjust the math to keep things in context, it looks more like this.

Burning, Terror, Hell - They are used in the Bible 1200+ times
And in Quran only 6210 times

Fear, Horrify, Terrify - They are used in Bible 1156 times
And in Quran only 1830 times

Destruction, Killing, Murder - They are used in the Bible 2000 times
And in Quran only 1850 times

Anger, Hate, Wrath, Despise etc. - They are used in the Bible 2120 times
And in Quran only 740 times

Battles, Fights, Force etc. - They are used in the Bible 3000+ times
And in Quran only 850 times

I can prove my stats, please prove yours

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Now, the Loving Words, Forgive, Hope, Mercy, Rewards - They are used in the Bible only 696 times. Only 696...
And in Quran 1843 time... What about this now?

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Adding a "0" after my numbers never proves anything

 

[outhouse]

According to my estimates, Gospel is 75% corrupted.

And do you base this solely on what parts of the bible are different then the Koran?

Those that agree are not corrupt in your opinion?

Those that disagree or different then Koran are corrupt?

Biblical and Quranic narratives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


From a modern scholarly perspective, similarities between Biblical and Quranic accounts of the same person or event are evidence for the influence of pre-existing traditions on the composition of the Qur'an

This states the Koran used pre existing biblical traditions, to create the Koran. Many would claim this means the koran was plagiarized using the bible.

This above is a credible historical source.

Now if this is true, doesn't that means the people who wrote the Koran copied many of the verses you claim is corrupted?

 

[outhouse]

Adding a "0" after my numbers never proves anything

Your numbers prove nothing

 

[outhouse]

Now, the Loving Words, Forgive, Hope, Mercy, Rewards - They are used in the Bible only 696 times. Only 696...
And in Quran 1843 time... What about this now?

How much one uses a word means nothing.

The context and usage of the word has more power, then popularity or over use.

Also your not using all loving and kind words, only a few. Maybe cherry picked ones that could very well be language dependent that do not portray anything meaningful at all.

Basically numbers like these above, have little over all meaning one way or another.

 

[outhouse]

25% is not corrupted/semi corrupted, meaning 25% of it contains Prophecies of Muhammad

How can some 25% of the words in the gospels written literally hundreds of years before muhammad existed, have any of his prophecies what so ever ?

Im not following you here.

It also looks like you think 25% is semi corrupted and these corrupted words are prophecies of Muhammad ?