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The Trinity

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Wharton

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Kolibri said:
"For God 'subjected all things under his feet.' (Ps 8:6) But when he says that 'all things have been subjected,' (Heb 2:8) it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. (1Pe 3:22) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, (Joh 14:28) that God may be all things to everyone. (1Co 3:23) - 1 Corinthians 15:28,29

Jesus, after bringing all creation back into harmony with God's will, then returns the authority given to him by God. How can he be both the authority giver and the authority receiver? Does not the idea that God is Jesus create a lot of confusion when reading verses like this?
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Nope. Jesus is of the same essence/nature as the Father. He differs only in rank or position as the second person of the Trinity. As such (son) he will be subject to his father just as Jesus was subject to his mother and father in his human nature while on earth.

Then he (Jesus) went down to Nazareth with them (Joseph and Mary) and was obedient to them. Luke 2:51
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Wharton said:
Once again, God the Father has no experience in being human. Jesus, God the Son, does. You want to be fairly judged by a peer not by one who has no experience of being human.
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I'm quite sure that God has a full grasp of what it is to experience being human, even if He has never personally experienced being human as God.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Wharton said:
Nope. Knowledge is not experience. Just about every profession requires knowledge plus experience before you can get a license or appointment. Think doctor's license. Driving license. Plumber. Electrician.Lawyer. Judge
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God doesn't need a licence to be God. And you have no idea what God has or has not experienced.

If God wants to raise up dry bones and put skin on them, He will raise them up and put skin on them. If God wants to experience being a man, He will be a man. You really don't get to decide what God is capable of doing.
 
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
Sonofason said:
Then if Jesus was God in the flesh, where was the God He prayed to.
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In heaven, invisible, in unapproachable light.

Sonofason said:
And why did God need to pray to Himself in the first place.
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God came as a Son of Man.


Sonofason said:
Where does the Bible say that "everything was made through God"?
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I already gave the scripture that says that. Here they are again.

See 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Romans 11:36, and Hebrews 2:10.

Sonofason said:
Direct quotations would be nice, rather than your own interpretations and paraphrasing.
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I do give direct quotes. I speak the scriptures. You just do not recognize the scriptures. You want me to do all the work for you. How about copy and paste what I say and put it in the search bar.
 
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Wharton

Active Member
Sonofason said:
God doesn't need a licence to be God. And you have no idea what God has or has not experienced.

If God wants to raise up dry bones and put skin on them, He will raise them up and put skin on them. If God wants to experience being a man, He will be a man. You really don't get to decide what God is capable of doing.
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Your first sentence, second paragraph, shows God's omnipotence. Your second sentence describes Jesus-God experiencing what it's like to be human. That's orthodox Christian belief. God does as he pleases. I don't decide anything.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Yes said:
In heaven, invisible, in unapproachable light.



God came as a Son of Man.




I already gave the scripture that says that. Here they are again.

See 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Romans 11:36, and Hebrews 2:10.


I do give direct quotes. I speak the scriptures. You just do not recognize the scriptures. You want me to do all the work for you. How about copy and paste what I say and put it in the search bar.
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Well, those verses sure do seem support what what you're saying. And I feel like a pendulum swinging back and forth. I see verses that support Jesus being God, and I see verses that do not support Jesus being God. And so the pendulum swings.
 
moorea944

moorea944

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Yes said:
In heaven, invisible, in unapproachable light.



God came as a Son of Man.




I already gave the scripture that says that. Here they are again.

See 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Romans 11:36, and Hebrews 2:10.


I do give direct quotes. I speak the scriptures. You just do not recognize the scriptures. You want me to do all the work for you. How about copy and paste what I say and put it in the search bar.
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Your making those verses fit your beliefs.
 
OneThatGotAway

OneThatGotAway

Servant of Yahweh God Almighty
"And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
And YAHWEH said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do" (Genesis 18:16-17)

Yahweh God Almighty manifested and spoke to Abraham through an angel; and yet Abraham did not think that the angel was part of any trinity.
The angel was one with God Almighty the same way that Jesus Christ was one with the Father God Almighty.
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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One God, the Father; One Lord the Christ. we are from the first and through the second. Still 2 individuals.
"For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him." - 1 Corinthians 8:5,6

How is this passage linked to the Son? I don't see it. Both quotes of Paul here refer to Jehovah and Isaiah even uses the divine name.
"O the depth of God's riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgements are and beyond tracing out his ways are! For "who has come to know Jehovah's mind, or who has become his adviser?" (Isa 40:13; see also Da 4:35) Or, "who has first given to him, so that it must be repaid to him?" (Job 41:11) Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen." - Romans 11:36

Context is revealing.
"For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come, (Act 17:31 "a man whom he appointed.") about which we are speaking. But in one place a certain witness said: "What is man that you keep him in mind, or a son of man that you take care of him? (Ps 144:3) You made him a little lower than angels; you crowned him with glory and honor, and appointed him over the works of your hands. All things you subjected under his feet. (Ps 8:4-6) By subjecting all things to him, (Mt 28:18; 1Co 15:27; Eph 1:22) God left nothing that is not subject to him. (1Pe 3:22) Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him. (Ps 110:1) But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, (Php 2:7) now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, (Re 5:9) so that by God's undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone. (Isa 53:5,8; Ro 5:17; 1Ti 2:5,6)" - Hebrews 2:5-9
 
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
Sonofason said:
Well, those verses sure do seem support what what you're saying. And I feel like a pendulum swinging back and forth. I see verses that support Jesus being God, and I see verses that do not support Jesus being God. And so the pendulum swings.
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When the pendulum swings the other way, which scriptures are you referring to?
 
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Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
moorea944 said:
Your making those verses fit your beliefs.
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The scripture plainly says that the world was created through Jesus. Another scripture says the world was created through God. Since there is only One God, why will you not accept that Jesus is called God and is God?
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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When an architect designs a building and it gets built by a construction company who gets the credit? Usually the architect. But sometimes the construction company gets mentioned too. Does that make the construction company the architect?
 
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
These scriptures show us that Jesus and God are the same.

THROUGH JESUS ALL THINGS CAME---THROUGH GOD ALL THINGS.

Through Jesus.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Through God.

Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Hebrews 2:10 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered.
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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Then God said: "Let us make man in our image." - Genesis 1:26a

Then I was beside him as a master worker. - Proverbs 8:30a
 
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