John the Baptist accepted Islam

[FearGod]

Ahhhh..... God Bless you! You didn't know the Aramaic word that would have been used, nor did you know the Greek word as used in G-Mark! That's a shame!

Jesus was probably with John when he got arrested. This is most plausible because Jesus got clear away and hid up for a time in the wastes, over a month anyways, struggling with himself over what to do. Then he returned to Galilee and decided to carry the mission forward in his own district, amongst his own folks.

Of course, being a Deist, I don't mind what you think, but really, you sjould attend HJ threads more often and then you would be able to make more plausible decisions about J and JtB.

The mission of Jesus started once John the baptist was arrested, he didn't hide but he started to preach freely starting in Galilee and ending in Jerusalem.

If you have an evidence (source) which confirms that Jesus was preaching with John the baptist before John the baptist being arrested then bring it here to support your claim.

Creating false stories to support your claims won't be helpful because you don't have any written facts to support it.

 

[FearGod]

The nose is the true path of those which truly are breathers!

Anyways to your OP. You can taking a single word in isolation from one language, Arabic, and selecting one definition of the word as evident by your own linked sources. You are then taking a single definition of a translated word Greek into English. You are drawing a correlation between these transliteration. However since you are clearly cherry picking your argument is fallacious and can be rejected on these grounds. Others have said this, you're acceptance of an counter-argument is not required for it to be valid.

It isn't cherry picking but it is what make sense to me, the story which says that Jesus started his mission once John the baptist was jailed doesn't make any sense, but it makes sense that he got the strength by the support of John the baptist that he started his mission once Jon the baptist recognized Jesus as the true messiah.

 

[oldbadger]

The mission of Jesus started once John the baptist was arrested, he didn't hide but he started to preach freely starting in Galilee and ending in Jerusalem.

So if Jesus never 'started' till after John's arrest, you are saying that Jesus could never have worked-baptised-preached with him...... Yes?
Ready? Here we gooooo.......`
JOHN
{3:22}................. came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. {3:23} And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim,

If you have an evidence (source) which confirms that Jesus was preaching with John the baptist before John the baptist being arrested then bring it here to support your claim.

Oi! Look up, matey..... look up..... !

Creating false stories to support your claims won't be helpful because you don't have any written facts to support it.

All traditions about Jesus and John the Baptist were passed from mouth to ear for a few decades, so neither you, nor I have any Primary or Direct Evidence! But here is some plausible evidence for your enjoyment and education.
MARK
{1:4} John did baptize in the wilderness.......

JOHN
{1:28} These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

MARK
......Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan..

JOHN
{3:22}................. came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. {3:23} And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim,

LUKE
{3:19} But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip’s wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done, {3:20} Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.

JOHN
{10:39} Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, {10:40} And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

MARK
{1:13} And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

MARK
{1:14} Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee


...... think of that, you, Christians, Baha'is, Jews, John the Baptist .... all having the same God. Time to hold hands.... :yes:

 

[Shad]

It is cherry picking as you are select definitions outside the context of the verse and related verses. Obviously other interpretations make sense to other people as many disagree with you. Jesus' "mission" starts at the Baptism not John's arrest. Although one could argue the mission starts at birth but baptism is a major turning point, a realization and confrontation of this fact. John's arrest was a catalyst or event which emphasized the mission, the hostility of Herod and the depravity of his House but is minor compared to the baptism. However it was an event after the baptism.

*ODB beat me to the punch and provided sources. You should read the chapters provided and those of your source. I should of hit post instead of watching my movie sooner.*

 

[Flankerl]

...... think of that, you, Christians, Baha'is, Jews, John the Baptist .... all having the same God. Time to hold hands.... :yes:

Nah non-jewish scriptures dont really matter to me.

 

[FearGod]

So if Jesus never 'started' till after John's arrest, you are saying that Jesus could never have worked-baptised-preached with him...... Yes?
Ready? Here we gooooo.......`
JOHN
{3:22}................. came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. {3:23} And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim,


Oi! Look up, matey..... look up..... !


All traditions about Jesus and John the Baptist were passed from mouth to ear for a few decades, so neither you, nor I have any Primary or Direct Evidence! But here is some plausible evidence for your enjoyment and education.
MARK
{1:4} John did baptize in the wilderness.......

JOHN
{1:28} These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

MARK
......Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan..

JOHN
{3:22}................. came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. {3:23} And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim,

LUKE
{3:19} But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip’s wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done, {3:20} Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.

JOHN
{10:39} Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, {10:40} And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

MARK
{1:13} And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

MARK
{1:14} Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee


...... think of that, you, Christians, Baha'is, Jews, John the Baptist .... all having the same God. Time to hold hands.... :yes:

You did nothing here other than copying and pasting some verses without even understanding what it's all about.

Read Mark 1 carefully and see how John the baptist opened the way for Jesus to start his mission.

1 This is the beginning of the Good News about Jesus Christ, the Son of God,[a] 2 as the prophet Isaiah wrote:
“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way.” Malachi 3:1
3 “This is a voice of one
who calls out in the desert:
‘Prepare the way for the Lord.
Make the road straight for him.’” Isaiah 40:3


It was John the baptist who prepared Jesus to his mission and that wasn't by being arrested but by realizing and confirming that Jesus was the true Messiah and John the baptist was respected that his approval gave the power for Jesus to start preaching for the message of God.




4 John was baptizing people in the desert and preaching a baptism of changed hearts and lives for the forgiveness of sins. 5 All the people from Judea and Jerusalem were going out to him. They confessed their sins and were baptized by him in the Jordan River. 6 John wore clothes made from camel’s hair, had a leather belt around his waist, and ate locusts and wild honey. 7 This is what John preached to the people: “There is one coming after me who is greater than I; I am not good enough even to kneel down and untie his sandals. 8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”


Then when John baptized Jesus he believed that he was the Messiah




9 At that time Jesus came from the town of Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan River. 10 Immediately, as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven open. The Holy Spirit came down on him like a dove, 11 and a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love, and I am very pleased with you.”
12 Then the Spirit sent Jesus into the desert. 13 He was in the desert forty days and was tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and the angels came and took care of him.




And here is the joke next


14 After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, preaching the Good News from God. 15 He said, “The right time has come. The kingdom of God is near. Change your hearts and lives and believe the Good News!”

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I asked you to ask for a help from your dad, it seems that he came so late.

"Ask for a help from my dad?" Perhaps you should have asked yours to place you in a few remedial English classes.

Now, back to the actual topic at hand. I asked you a legitimate question. "Why do you believe that the Muslim god is the only god to which one can surrender?" As expected, you have refused to answer my question, but I'm a patient man, so I'll ask once more. Why do you (FearGod) believe that the Muslim god(Allah) Is the only god that one could potentially "surrender" to?

 

[FearGod]

"Ask for a help from my dad?" Perhaps you should have asked yours to place you in a few remedial English classes.

Now, back to the actual topic at hand. I asked you a legitimate question. "Why do you believe that the Muslim god is the only god to which one can surrender?" As expected, you have refused to answer my question, but I'm a patient man, so I'll ask once more. Why do you (FearGod) believe that the Muslim god(Allah) Is the only god that one could potentially "surrender" to?

First of all, English isn't my first language and i wonder what a great mistake that i did that i need a remedial English classes for it.

Now about your question why the God of Islam.

How to answer a silly question as i don't believe that there is one God for each religion.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

First of all, English isn't my first language and i wonder what a great mistake that i did that i need a remedial English classes for it.

Now about your question why the God of Islam.

How to answer a silly question as i don't believe that there is one God for each religion.

I understand that you don't believe in separate gods for each religion. Personally, I don't believe in any of them, including the Muslim one. For the sake of this argument though, let's assume that the Muslim god is the "one true god." Wouldn't it still be possible for people to mistakenly "surrender" to other "false" gods?

 

[FearGod]

I understand that you don't believe in separate gods for each religion. Personally, I don't believe in any of them, including the Muslim one. For the sake of this argument though, let's assume that the Muslim god is the "one true god." Wouldn't it still be possible for people to mistakenly "surrender" to other "false" gods?

To a false message and not a false God, rationally speaking, there is only one God for this universe but there are many beliefs and dogmas.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

To a false message and not a false God, rationally speaking, there is only one God for this universe but there are many beliefs and dogmas.

And how do you know that John the Baptist was surrendering to the Muslim god and not a "false message?" All it says is that he "surrendered."

 

[paarsurrey]

It is equally wrong to ascribe to John or Abraham that they were Christians or Jews.

Regards

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

It is equally wrong to ascribe to John or Abraham that they were Christians or Jews.

Regards

It's debatable whether or not Abraham even existed, and both Christians and Muslims claim John the Baptist as their own. Although, given the region where he was from, he was most likely a Jew.

 

[sojourner]

You are trying fishing in the dead sea.

Paradidomi as a word means surrendering
What Does it Mean to Surrender All to God? | eHow

Islam as a word means surrendering
Islam Explained

And this quote may help you

Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity.
Michel de Montaigne

See what I've highlighted? "Islam" as a general term means that, yes. But you're taking it a step further. by stating that "JtB accepted Islam," (again: note the capital "I," signifying that you're using "Islam" as a proper name, not a general concept), you're saying that that JtB took upon himself the religion of Islam -- not that he simply "submitted to God."

As for your last sentence, you're projecting.

 

[sojourner]

That proves that you didn't understand my thread and all my attempts to help you to understand failed.

What it proves is that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[sojourner]

How many Gods are there for this universe ?

More than there are religions.

 

[sojourner]

What about if drinking the holy water of God, then every one drinks water becomes a follower and then we call it Waterism.

Endless of Stupid ideas

BINGO!! Yours is a stupid idea. We've been saying that for pages now.

 

[sojourner]

The topic of the thread is discussing written facts and not stupid ideas as yours.

This is a classic example of the "Pee-Wee Herman Fallacy."

 

[FearGod]

See what I've highlighted? "Islam" as a general term means that, yes. But you're taking it a step further. by stating that "JtB accepted Islam," (again: note the capital "I," signifying that you're using "Islam" as a proper name, not a general concept), you're saying that that JtB took upon himself the religion of Islam -- not that he simply "submitted to God."

As for your last sentence, you're projecting.

To me it makes no difference,islam or Islam still the same meaning as Paradidomi.

Does that means that John followed the message of Muhammed, of course he didn't as what he followed was the message of Christ and he was a muslim (Paradidomi) to the message of Jesus that sent by God.

 

[FearGod]

This is a classic example of the "Pee-Wee Herman Fallacy."

You don't know even what Pee-Wee defense is.