free will vs natural determinism

[Iti oj]

Are free will and natural determinism in contradiction?

 

[outhouse]

Depends on how you define the two.

 

[Iti oj]

Depends on how you define the two.

That's an even harder question then the one I posted.

 

[outhouse]

That's an even harder question then the one I posted.

I like even better.


Who's will is it, if not your own?


Will Smith? Will you? wont you? OMG I cant decide I wish my "free will" manager in space would make it up for me

 

[Iti oj]

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[Iti oj]

Free will the ability to act of ones own violation with out out side forces acting upon you.

 

[Iti oj]

Where as determinism is an out side force acting upon your ability to make decisions.

 

[Iti oj]

Free will the ability to act of ones own violation with out out side forces acting upon you.

Where as determinism is an out side force acting upon your ability to make decisions.

Ergo contradiction.

 

[Sunstone]

Free will the ability to act of ones own violation with out out side forces acting upon you.

That's a good formulation of the notion. But one might ask what is this "will" that is able to act of its own volition?

The more one examines the question, the more absurd the notion becomes.

 

[outhouse]

That's a good formulation of the notion. But one might ask what is this "will" that is able to act of its own violation?

The more one examines the question, the more absurd the notion becomes.

Been asking this all afternoon, and it gets ignored

 

[Iti oj]

That's a good formulation of the notion. But one might ask what is this "will" that is able to act of its own violation?

The more one examines the question, the more absurd the notion becomes.

It makes sense in certain metaphysical beliefs is souls and god. Out side of this context I think the term is meaningless.

 

[Sunstone]

Been asking this all afternoon, and it gets ignored

No doubt! I've asked the question before and, so far as I can recall, it's either been ignored or dismissed, but never answered.

 

[Sleeppy]

No doubt! I've asked the question before and, so far as I can recall, it's either been ignored or dismissed, but never answered.

The question is odd.. What is a will acting according to its own will? --But the answer still involves matter (physical properties), and the laws of physics.

 

[Iti oj]

No doubt! I've asked the question before and, so far as I can recall, it's either been ignored or dismissed, but never answered.

I. Can't answer it. I.don't prescribe to the notion.

 

[Willamena]

Free will the ability to act of ones own violation with out outside forces acting upon you.

Where as determinism is an outside force acting upon your ability to make decisions.

Determinism is about causes, not a force.

So many make that error. Especially those who believe in inevitability implied by determinism.

 

[Iti oj]

Determinism is a cause, not a force.

So many make that error. Especially those who believe in inevitability implied by determinism.

Those cause are or at least can be forces, like society.

 

[Willamena]

Those cause are or at least can be forces, like society.

And ice cream.

 

[Willamena]

Free will is easy, especially if you subscribe to any of the following statements:

1. There is a world.
2. There is mind.
3. Mind exists in relation to the world.
4. Mind is individual.

That's all it takes.

Edit: I don't see it as particularly pertaining to naturalism.

 

[idav]

Are free will and natural determinism in contradiction?

I would like say yes but it cant be. They have to be both remain true or it would be absurd. So then free will is you becoming the determniner.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Are free will and natural determinism in contradiction?

Nope!