Does belief in the Flood indicate intellectual incapacity?

[outhouse]

But your saying the flood is a myth
.

I am. It would have to have happened for it to be real.


We see the origins of the mythology in previous cultures, based on a REAL regional flood.

 

[outhouse]

I guess I can post links now. :yes:

Now try credible ones.

Neither person provided any evidence for an exodus.

Neither person provided evidence for the conquest.


BOTH ignored the facts povided by Israel Finkelstein that show a slow migration of people to the highlands of Israel after 1200 BC all the way to 1000 BC.

By people who used the Canaanite gods, alphabet, and pottery. Something YOU cannot explain.

 

[Harold]

There is no such thing as a soul.

It is not proven to exist.


As we understand it, it is mythology based on the concept we know as consciousness.

That is something ancient primitive men knew nothing about.

Okay instead of soul how about:

How did physical life come from inorganic chemicals?

Where did man's conscience come from?

Where did love and other emotions come from?

 

[Harold]

Now try credible ones.

Neither person provided any evidence for an exodus.

Neither person provided evidence for the conquest.


BOTH ignored the facts povided by Israel Finkelstein that show a slow migration of people to the highlands of Israel after 1200 BC all the way to 1000 BC.

By people who used the Canaanite gods, alphabet, and pottery. Something YOU cannot explain.

So if we come from natural processes and mutations then how did the material world the earth, the sun and the first cell come into being?

 

[Harold]

I am. It would have to have happened for it to be real.

I have given proof that it did so can you prove it didn't?

 

[outhouse]

You seem to know everything.

Years of intense study, including biblical classes at some of the best colleges we have.

I have no problem helping those with an open mind.

the sun

Was born like the trillions of other suns in the universe from material from other stars material that existed in the past.

and the first cell come into being?

This thread is not dealing with abiogenesis.

But it is nothing more then chemistry in a 400,000 year window when the planet cooled and water appeared on the planet.



What we do not do though, is to take man made deities and sove them into gaps of our knowledge. Man has factually made this mistake for a very long time, and I refuse to repeat this mistake. For the longest time man claimed god did lightning, thunder, earthquakes, volcanos ect ect ect.

With scienitific advancements we now see clearly what is mythology, and where we cannot attribute nature to any god, and yours is no different from teh rest that appear to be man made.

 

[Harold]

As we understand it, it is mythology based on the concept we know as consciousness.

That is something ancient primitive men knew nothing about.

So ancient man did not have a conscious?

How do you know this?

Why was the ten commandants created as they really do not make much sense if what you believe is true.

A better approach would have been;

1. Killing the weak and handicapped to improve the survival of the fittest and a stronger and better race.
2. We should be heading towards rape, theft and murder as being considered moral.

 

[outhouse]

I have given proof that it did so can you prove it didn't?

I already have.

The burden of proof lies with you.

And you have NO evidence what so ever.

While I can show you civilizations everywhere in the world that show no break when you claim a global flood happened.

A global flood is an impossibility with todays knowledge.

 

[outhouse]

Why was the ten commandants created

They were not created by Israelites, copied would be a more accurate description. Im happy with use of known oral traditions to that geographis area myself.

These were morals and laws in both Egyptian and Mesopotamian cultures LONG before Israelites existed.

In other words, they were common knowledge long before Israelites existed.

 

[outhouse]

A better approach would have been;

1. Killing the weak and handicapped to improve the survival of the fittest and a stronger and better race.
2. We should be heading towards rape, theft and murder as being considered moral.

This is a mistake on many theist part.


People have instinct to be moral, the bible was not the first book to teach this.

It was common in Egypt and Mesopotamian cultures.


Moral behaviour is not dependant on any book.

 

[outhouse]

Where did man's conscience come from?

Evolved.

Increaed greatly over a few million years ago with Homo Erectus. Brian case and brain size increased dramaticaly, possibly due to eating more cooked meat.

We see a great increase in tool making skills at this time as well.

 

[outhouse]

If a global flood happened, pick a date and stand by it.

 

[Harold]

This is a mistake on many theist part.


People have instinct to be moral, the bible was not the first book to teach this.

It was common in Egypt and Mesopotamian cultures.


Moral behaviour is not dependant on any book.

So we started as a bowl of soup with DNA so complicated that we can not understand it to this day and this bowl of soup had morals?

It had feelings that were created by the explosion of the universe.

When we die I guess that is it?

Game over?

 

[outhouse]

The reason you cannot pick a flood date, is it did not happen. If it did, there would be an exact date.

There would also be only one race of people originating from the general area.

There would be also be a flood layer in every country

There would also not be the diversity of life found in every country.

There would be breaks in civilizations that had existed prior for thousands of years.

The breeding populatin of survivors would factually be impossible to sustain a new population of inbred people.

YOU have mythology, and NO evidence of any kind. Only a pile of Facts stacked up you cannot address with credibility.

 

[outhouse]

So we started as a bowl of soup with DNA so complicated that we can not understand it to this day and this bowl of soup had morals?

It had feelings that were created by the explosion of the universe.

When we die I guess that is it?

Game over?

YOUR missing the point.

By taking the flood literally, you ruin the beauty of the flood epic that was created to teach ancient people morals and lessons and give cultural identity.


It is not a literal interpretation or nothing.

 

[Looncall]

So we started as a bowl of soup with DNA so complicated that we can not understand it to this day and this bowl of soup had morals?

It had feelings that were created by the explosion of the universe.

When we die I guess that is it?

Game over?

Thank you for exemplifying the OP with this nonsense.

 

[Harold]

The reason you cannot pick a flood date, is it did not happen. If it did, there would be an exact date.

What happened to the people that created the pyramids and could Atlantis be more then a myth?

I just started looking at Noah and the flood so I have yet to decide what I believe. But we are missing some history.

I believe I read some where that Enoch had something to do with the creation of the pyramids. I pick the time shortly after the creation of the pyramids.

There would also be only one race of people originating from the general area.

Our DNA proves we are all related.

There would be also be a flood layer in every country

I have already shown proof of a flood.

There would also not be the diversity of life found in every country.

We would never change the way we think unless and an outside source influenced our thoughts. But because we had already been exposed to the outside world that influence would have already been embedded in us.

So the diversity would be handed down from the dads that had already been exposed to the world before the flood.

There would be breaks in civilizations that had existed prior for thousands of years.

Was there not a break?

What about the pyramids?

Something got lost some where as we are unable to explain them. You seem to believe you can put your fingers on any moment in time, can you explain them or the time period surrounding them?

That is the time that it happened if I am correct about reading something about Enoch and the pyramids.

The breeding populatin of survivors would factually be impossible to sustain a new population of inbred people.

Unless Noah had other wives and the children were not from the same mother. There would not have been as much inbreeding. Also does the original text say it was a world wide flood and does the original text say it was no one left on the earth or could there have been other survivors.

I would need to study the text about the flood found at the Dead Sea to fully understand what happened.

YOU have mythology, and NO evidence of any kind. Only a pile of Facts stacked up you cannot address with credibility.

I have been studying the flood for one day and I am a high school drop out that thought sports was the most important thing in life for the first 30 years of my life.

Give me a minute to catch up.

 

[Harold]

YOUR missing the point.

By taking the flood literally, you ruin the beauty of the flood epic that was created to teach ancient people morals and lessons and give cultural identity.


It is not a literal interpretation or nothing.

It is not the way Jesus used it. He said the end time would be the same as the time of Noah. The time of Noah there was lots of bad stuff going on.

Pretty much like it is today including the messing around with DNA.

 

[Harold]

Thank you for exemplifying the OP with this nonsense.

Your post are so enlightening and educational but despite your inability to see it I was asking an honest question.

What does the OP believe happens when we die?

 

[outhouse]

It is not the way Jesus used it. He said the end time would be the same as the time of Noah. The time of Noah there was lots of bad stuff going on.

Pretty much like it is today including the messing around with DNA.

Jesus did not say that.

The unknown authors of the NT wrote these things.

They also were pretty clear the coming kingdom of god would be in their lifetimes. As a safety net, they wrote "no man would know"