613 commandments and converses

[Me Myself]

There are some commandments I wonder what is a converse (and what would an observant jew for that matter) make of.

Somethings like "to appoint a king" somethings about nazarites. Somethings about war like exterminate the seven cananaite nations from Israel, to destroy the seed of amalek

Things about lepers being unclean and defiling.

I am sure there were others, I might inquire in further posts in this thread, but I remember those for now.

What do you make of these mitzvot?

 

[Tarheeler]

As converts, we agree to be bound by all the mitzvot.

As far as specific laws go, there are some that cannot be performed today: Those that deal with the Temple, sacrifices, the monarchy, ancient tribes, etc.
Some of those will be re-instated when the Temple is rebuilt or the messiah comes.

Nazarites are people who choose to temporarily remove themselves from general society. They accept certain restrictions and spend time alone, kind of like a monk. But it is only temporary; when it is over, the nazarite returns to a normal life.

On the subject of leprosy, from what I understand some of the terms often translated as leprosy can be used for other communicable diseases and illnesses. Those laws tell us to be aware of the danger that comes from transmittable conditions and to take precautions to protect ourselves.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What do you make of these mitzvot?

They reflect the times and the understanding of the times.

 

[CMike]

There are some commandments I wonder what is a converse (and what would an observant jew for that matter) make of.

Somethings like "to appoint a king" somethings about nazarites. Somethings about war like exterminate the seven cananaite nations from Israel, to destroy the seed of amalek

Things about lepers being unclean and defiling.

I am sure there were others, I might inquire in further posts in this thread, but I remember those for now.

What do you make of these mitzvot?

The cannanite nations were evil at the time.

As far as destroying Amelek...they were particularly evil.

After the jews got out of Egypt all the nations knew about the plagues and what happened there. Amalek attacked the jews anyway. That's pretty bad.

Also these aren't part of the 613 commandments. Those things more reflect the journey of the jewish people until they got ot Israel.

 

[Me Myself]

They reflect the times and the understanding of the times.

But what should a contemporary observant jew make of them from your perspective? Arent those part of the mitzvot a converse would be swearing to uphold?

As converts, we agree to be bound by all the mitzvot.

As far as specific laws go, there are some that cannot be performed today: Those that deal with the Temple, sacrifices, the monarchy, ancient tribes, etc.
Some of those will be re-instated when the Temple is rebuilt or the messiah comes.

Nazarites are people who choose to temporarily remove themselves from general society. They accept certain restrictions and spend time alone, kind of like a monk. But it is only temporary; when it is over, the nazarite returns to a normal life.

On the subject of leprosy, from what I understand some of the terms often translated as leprosy can be used for other communicable diseases and illnesses. Those laws tell us to be aware of the danger that comes from transmittable conditions and to take precautions to protect ourselves.

I understood the tmeple laws could not be performed today, but wouldnt it be doable to apoint a king for something? Wouldnt the mitzvot be saying it is desirable for jews to live in a monarchy?


About leprosy, you are telling me the mitzvot includes other illnesses apart from leprosy or that it does not include leprosy but yes other illnesses?

What do you make of the application of laws about amalek for example?

The cannanite nations were evil at the time.

As far as destroying Amelek...they were particularly evil.

After the jews got out of Egypt all the nations knew about the plagues and what happened there. Amalek attacked the jews anyway. That's pretty bad.

Also these aren't part of the 613 commandments. Those things more reflect the journey of the jewish people until they got ot Israel.

I think I read some commandments are argued as not being commandments and there to be agreement in the number of commandments, but not all on each of them as commandment status. Maybe that is e case of those, I got them from these source

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

 

[Boyd]

There are some commandments I wonder what is a converse (and what would an observant jew for that matter) make of.

Somethings like "to appoint a king" somethings about nazarites. Somethings about war like exterminate the seven cananaite nations from Israel, to destroy the seed of amalek

Things about lepers being unclean and defiling.

I am sure there were others, I might inquire in further posts in this thread, but I remember those for now.

What do you make of these mitzvot?

I think one thing that should be mentioned is that it is not expected of Jews to always keep the commandments. It is an impossibility. I don't know of a single Jew who would say that they keep them perfectly. And I don't believe that is the intention. The reason for following the Law is to show our love for G-d. The Law was a gift, and we keep it out of Law.

The Law does not stand alone. We have the Torah, but along with the Torah, we have the oral Torah as well. One could refer to it as a living document almost. As time changes, so does interpretation. Some commandments become impossible to follow, and thus we are not expected to follow them. Other commands become, for the lack of a better work, incompatible. Some Jewish interpretation regarding homosexuality is a great example of this. The original command, for some, can not be understood with the idea of a loving G-d. So there is room to be flexible.

For me personally, I try to keep the dietary laws, but as with many Jews, it becomes increasingly difficult while living in rural areas. I do try my best, but it is not always possible.

Now, that is not to say that the Law should be taken lightly, and cherry picked through. But it also should not be treated as if it were a burden.

I do hope that helps answer your question.

 

[Me Myself]

I think one thing that should be mentioned is that it is not expected of Jews to always keep the commandments. It is an impossibility. I don't know of a single Jew who would say that they keep them perfectly. And I don't believe that is the intention. The reason for following the Law is to show our love for G-d. The Law was a gift, and we keep it out of Law.

The Law does not stand alone. We have the Torah, but along with the Torah, we have the oral Torah as well. One could refer to it as a living document almost. As time changes, so does interpretation. Some commandments become impossible to follow, and thus we are not expected to follow them. Other commands become, for the lack of a better work, incompatible. Some Jewish interpretation regarding homosexuality is a great example of this. The original command, for some, can not be understood with the idea of a loving G-d. So there is room to be flexible.

For me personally, I try to keep the dietary laws, but as with many Jews, it becomes increasingly difficult while living in rural areas. I do try my best, but it is not always possible.

Now, that is not to say that the Law should be taken lightly, and cherry picked through. But it also should not be treated as if it were a burden.

I do hope that helps answer your question.

But (and do correct me if I am wrong) the idea indeed is that a jew should strive to follow all of them if able, right? I mean no one in any religion is perfect I believe, but the idea is that those are commandments that jews would do good in the eyes of G-d to follow, right?

For example, how do you reconsile that with the commandments on hmosexuality that you bring forth? Whats your perspective on it?

 

[CMike]

What about it?

 

[Me Myself]

What about it?

What about it what? I am trying to keep e questions individual as I assume each has a different perspective on different laws and their obersvance .

I asked you about something where I quoted your reply upwards . If you could answer it would be cool.

 

[CMike]

What about it what? I am trying to keep e questions individual as I assume each has a different perspective on different laws and their obersvance .

I asked you about something where I quoted your reply upwards . If you could answer it would be cool.

What about homosexuality?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But what should a contemporary observant jew make of them from your perspective?

I concern myself with what I make of them. After that, with what little time remains, I can decide what to make of OPs such as yours.

 

[Me Myself]

I concern myself with what I make of them. After that, with what little time remains, I can decide what to make of OPs such as yours.

What do you make of them? Do you consider them binding?

Do you consider the mitzvot to come from G-d ?

 

[Me Myself]

What about homosexuality?

Ask boyd, the question was directed towards him. I am not sure exactly which commandments he would be referring to.

I asked you some stuff at a previous post where I quoted you, if you would like to answer.

 

[CMike]

Like?

 

[Me Myself]

This one :

The cannanite nations were evil at the time.

As far as destroying Amelek...they were particularly evil.

After the jews got out of Egypt all the nations knew about the plagues and what happened there. Amalek attacked the jews anyway. That's pretty bad.

Also these aren't part of the 613 commandments. Those things more reflect the journey of the jewish people until they got ot Israel.

I think I read some commandments are argued as not being commandments and there to be agreement in the number of commandments, but not all on each of them as commandment status. Maybe that is e case of those, I got them from these source

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

 

[CMike]

I don't think I understand the question?

However, I gotta go.

Good shabbos everyone

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you consider the mitzvot to come from G-d ?

If you're really interested in my thoughts concerning origins and intent, let's start with this:

I tend to see your questions as a transparent attempt to troll for controversy, an attempt originating in a disdain for religion in general and Judaism in particular.​

 

[Me Myself]

I am asking how does those commandments should be fulfilled today by observant jews.

Or if you think those are not commandments. I provided a source that considered them commandments, but said source also said that there is some debate as to some of them not being commandments.

 

[Me Myself]

If you're really interested in my thoughts concerning origins and intent, let's start with this:

I tend to see your questions as a transparent attempt to troll for controversy, an attempt originating in a disdain for religion in general and Judaism in particular.​

I never try that on dirs.

I come to dirs to make honest questions. I know very little about judaism, and given that I do not personally know any jews I ask you. Even if I knew some, I dont expect any religious person to be able to give me the view of the entirety of people observant of such religion, so asking a variety of people is better kn my book.

Contrary to your perceptions, I ve actually really liked a lot of things I ve been listening from judaism, that is why I have been searcng more about it.

I ve also found things I dont like, but that's why I ask so as to have more versions of all ideas and to have a clearer picture.

I do have noticed you tend to judge pretty fast and disdain is something quite noted from many hastened judgements I ve seen from your part.

I am sorry for whatever that has happened to you that has made youprone to that.

 

[CMike]

I am asking how does those commandments should be fulfilled today by observant jews.

Or if you think those are not commandments. I provided a source that considered them commandments, but said source also said that there is some debate as to some of them not being commandments.

Which commandments?