Creationists go to court: School science standards are unconstitutional

[Father Heathen]

Well, you've got to admit, there are loads and loads of anti-theists teaching our children in public schools. One can't help believe that many of these so-called educators are trying to quash the notion of God, right there in the classrooms. We need a compromise, and quick.

but the concept of god and the theory of evolution aren't mutually exclusive.

Biblical literalism however is wholly unscientific, and that's something we should be honest with our children about.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

That is fine, science is a human pursuit, thus flawed and imperfect. But science is what should be taught in a science class. I am not going to argue "absolute truth" with you. But the theory of evolution is science. Creationism is not science.

The day we make teaching science in a science class unconstitutional we will be in big trouble.

That's very true, it will mean that the US takes a step back and will have to import people for a lot of professions.

If you want to know what that is like, look no further than the Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan or Pakistan where vaccines are thought to be of the devil.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

^It already does for most of the cutting edge professions; US education standards in both policy and implementation are not what they once were (despite what are often very dedicated teachers)

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's very true, it will mean that the US takes a step back and will have to import people for a lot of professions.

If you want to know what that is like, look no further than the Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan or Pakistan where vaccines are thought to be of the devil.

I am always surprised how many of American scientific stories concern people who are first or second generation incomers. Those with backgrounds going back to religious settlements seem strangely absent.

 

[Athan]

Purely out of interest, do you distinguish between atheists and anti-theists? Or are you a subscriber to "anyone not with us is against us"?

Never did get an answer to this.

Clearly, atheists are less of a threat than anti-theists, but they are all "against" us in terms of how they choose to think and live. If you are not with the Lord, then you are against him. I suspect all anti-theists hate that kind of thinking because it gives them zero room to obfuscate.

 

[Athan]

Biblical literalism however is wholly unscientific, and that's something we should be honest with our children about.

Well, I would never tell my son to rely on the Bible to prepare him for science class, as that would certainly guarantee him an F.

 

[Uberpod]

Clearly, atheists are less of a threat than anti-theists, but they are all "against" us in terms of how they choose to think and live. If you are not with the Lord, then you are against him.

And If one is not comfortable thinking in terms of multiple continuous variables, one is a binar.

I suspect all anti-theists hate that kind of thinking because it gives them zero room to obfuscate.

And, zero room to represent reality accurately

Here is a reasonable range of possibilities:

There are like minded individuals who believe in a similar vision of the Lord as you.
There are fellow Lord devotees who share some of your vision of the Lord, and tolerate the differences in your vision.
There are fellow Lord devotees who share some of your vision of the Lord, and combat the differences in your vision.
There are fellow Lord devotees who that radically differ in their vision of the Lord but respect that you at least believe in a higher power.
There are fellow Lord devotees who that radically differ in their vision of the Lord and reject you as a heretic equal or worse than nonbelievers.
There are persons who reject the validity of the God concept but respect human beings trying to make meaning in their lives and believe each human being must be allowed his own conscience.
There are persons who reject the validity of the God concept but disrespect human beings trying to make meaning in their lives because they believe there is no meaning to be found.

Even that is a bit simplistic, but it least shows a range of distance from your Lord. Why is it helpful to pretend that there is a simplistic dichotomy of for and against? And why would someone be proud of their binary thinking? :run:

 

[Falvlun]

Well, I would never tell my son to rely on the Bible to prepare him for science class, as that would certainly guarantee him an F.

You could always homeschool him. That's what my parents did.

But I turned out okay.

 

[Athan]

And If one is not comfortable thinking in terms of multiple conintuous variables, one is a binar.

Or just on top of his thinking. I don't need to stick my hand in your blender to know that the outcome's going to be bad.

And, zero room to represent reality accurately

Nah, just zero room to confuse the truth.

 

[Athan]

You could always homeschool him. That's what my parents did.

But I turned out okay.

We're looking at private schools.

 

[Uberpod]

Or just on top of his thinking. I don't need to stick my hand in your blender to know that the outcome's going to be bad.

You know best!

Nah, just zero room to confuse the truth.

LOL. You say that as if you had proven your rendition of the truth superior, just after you threw in the towel.

I took some time to demonstrate how my vision is more accurate. You don't dare attempt the same. :sleep:

 

[Athan]

Our eixistence is not evidence of god. Just like out existnce is not evidence of no god.

It certainly isn't due to a random event.

 

[Uberpod]

It certainly isn't due to a random event.

How about a series of "random" events shaped by systematic environmental shifts and selective pressure.

 

[johnhanks]

Clearly, atheists are less of a threat than anti-theists, but they are all "against" us in terms of how they choose to think and live.

Hang on, you believe in thought crimes? Atheists are a threat to you because of the way they choose to think?

Atheists are diverse people whose only common attribute is not sharing your belief in god. That apart, and with the rider that they don't attend church services (as I presume you do), why should you imagine their atheism determines the way they live? And why should you regard this imagined lifestyle as a threat?

If you are not with the Lord, then you are against him. I suspect all anti-theists hate that kind of thinking because it gives them zero room to obfuscate.

Can you give an example of the kind of obfuscation you believe that kind of thinking helps to mitigate?

 

[Athan]

How about a series of "random" events shaped by systematic environmental shifts and selective pressure.

How about by the power of God?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

How about by the power of God?

Creationists don't believe in that stuff anymore.

 

[Skwim]

Creationists don't believe in that stuff anymore.

Yup. All they believe is that evolution ain't right.

 

[Athan]

Why is it helpful to pretend that there is a simplistic dichotomy of for and against?

Why can't one make a clear distinction in this respect? Is it because you haven't, therefore, no else can?

And why would someone be proud of their binary thinking?

Because I've long since made up my mind.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

How about by the power of God?

How about by the power of my transcendent toe nails soul?

I think i can match you in evidence on this one.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

Because I've long since made up my mind.

This is the problem, truth will NOT get in the way of whatever you have decided you "know".

Thankfully science works in the opposite way and thus we don't have to rely on the likes of you for ignorance when there is knowledge to be gained.