Surya Deva
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Alright, I'll accept your definition of what classical physics means. Although this phrase has indeed been used by many authors I have read to refer Newtonian Mechanics and GR. In any case Newtonian Mechanics and GR have more in common with each other than quantum mechanics, because they still deal with a real universe of observables like particles, forces, energy, matter, time and space. Quantum mechanics deals with the world of the quantum, of wavefunctions which it represents using probablistic mathematics
I never said GR included Newtonian mechanics, I said it includes Newtonian mechanics as a special case of GR. Yes I know Newtonian mechanics is based on a 3D world, but its laws of motion still give an approximately accurate result for the normal frame of reference, so relativistic effects are negligible. It is only when we are dealing with frames of references where objects are moving at speeds closer to the speed of light that relativistic effects become significant and this is when NM gives very inaccurate results.
NM has indeed been very successful in describing the standard frame of reference, for centuries it has solidly backed up with hard empirical evidence and never been falsified. However, then it was falsified by Einstein with GR by showing we do not live in a 3D universe of absolute space and time, but in a 4D universe of relative spacetime. GR has been very successful in describing the fundamental forces, the behaviour of particles, space, time and relationship with gravity, black holes etc. But QM has shown that in actually there is no space-time, particles etc all of reality is a wavefunction and a quantum field with no separability and most probably no reality. So why can we consider NM falsified by GR, but not consider GR falsified by QM? Double standards.
No I agree, and the reason QM is purely math is because the quantum is not observable. However, the quantum is inferred directly from what we can see in the double slit experiment. We can see that the electron switches from wave to particle, and hence we can say that matter is fundamentally a wavefunction prior to becoming a particle. However, what collapses the wavefunction? The only evidence we have from the double slit experiment is the observer itself collapses the wavefunction.
Again, mathematical formalism is required to model the quantum, because the quantum is not observable, but it certainly exists because that is what the evidence is showing us. It is indeed a violation of GR, because GR very explicitly states that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, this a fundamental law of GR. It is a universal barrier. However, we do not routinely send information tens of thousands of times faster than the speed of light:
But the new experiment shows that direct communication between the photons (at least as we know it) is simply impossible. The team simultaneously measured several properties of both photons, such as phase, when they arrived at their villages and found that they did indeed have a spooky awareness of each other’s behaviour. On the basis of their measurements, the team concluded that if the photons had communicated, they must have done so at least 100,000 times faster than the speed of light — something nearly all physicists thought would be impossible. In other words, these photons cannot know about each other through any sort of normal exchange of information.
Physicists spooked by faster-than-light information transfer : Nature News
Newton believed in 3D - he was falsified by Einstein
Einstein believed in 4D - he was falsified by Bohr et al
Current quantum operates in 5D - it may be falsified by M-theory which believes in 11D, 22D or hundreds of D's
The evolution of modern physics is predicted by our own Vedic Science, for we know about the various dimensions of reality long before modern physicists did. What modern physicists have discovered is the physical Akasha and this is why some physicists have called it the "Akashic field" This is the quantum domain. There is yet another level beyond the quantum known as the causal where the quantum strings or gunas are vibrating. The number of dimensions depends on how you divide it. In the Vedic system there are 3, 5 and 7 and 10 level systems. There is of course no such thing as "levels" this is just practical consideration.
Modern science is behind Vedic science. The Vedic science are based on much more powerful epistemology of rational reasoning and yogic perception.
Yes, so Einstein's attempt to disprove QM. So was Bell's. So was Schodinger as well - they all tried to show QM as absurd. They were all proven wrong
As far as I am concerned GR is falsified.
You are setting up a fallacy here. You are saying here that because GR is supported BY equal amounts of empirical evidence as QM is, then they are both equally valid. In fact you even somewhat undermine QM by saying that because it is based more on mathematical formalism than measurement and observation and GR is based on hard empirical observation and measurement, GR is somehow is more credible. I reply, that no amount of empirical evidence and successful trials can ever prove a theory correct, but it requires only one single unsuccessful trial to falsify the theory.
GR says that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light - DEAD WRONG -
On the basis of their measurements, the team concluded that if the photons had communicated, they must have done so at least 100,000 times faster than the speed of light — something nearly all physicists thought would be impossible.(op.cit)
GR is falsified. Now that we know insofar as our current knowledge that the actual nature of reality is quantum and there is no locality and most probably no reality we can apply QM to everything in our known world. And that is pretty much what is happening. We now know that QM can even be applied to biology and very large objects. Thus our need for GR is going to lessen, till the point it becomes redundant.
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