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What proof do you have of God?
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Actually, science is leading us straight to God.
Dark energy and matter have become a big topic nowadays.
You can't see any of it.
But science infers the existence because of notable effect.
(science can believe in what it cannot prove)
I believe in God BECAUSE of science.
Science only reveals how God did it.
otokage007
Well-Known Member
The more ignorant is a nation, the more its people believe in God. No ignorant will question God unless he starts thinking for himself and see that science can explain things. Untill u realize u don't need to rely on God for anything, u will still believe in him.
waitasec
Veteran Member
true. which is just as true as saying
everything else is based on conjecture...
Gui10
Active Member
Science does not reveal any implication of god nor does it reveal gods absence. However, what science reveals, is that things that are written in the holy books are completely bogus, therefore refuting any religion. The presence of a god and the righteousness of religions are two completely different things.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Apparantly atheist's consider it a virtue to believe that they are so smart as to arbitrarily rule out any foundation of meaning, morality, and purpose. Great progress. You are an intelligent person but every so often you make the most unintelligent statements possible. The US is the most Christian country and has been the highest intelligence country for many years. We might not be number one in intelligence today but we are still right at the top. In fact most of the highest intelligence countries have a high Christian population. Most or at least many of the fields of science were began by Christians. Some of the smartest men who ever lived were Christians: Newton, Pascal, Reimann, Pasture, Collins, Greenleaf, Morse, Faraday, Kepler, Galileo, Descarte, Boyle and on and on. Newton wrote more on theology than he did non science. Here is a list of one hundred who's who of science that are Christian.
100 Scientists Who Shaped World History
List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Many more were theists or at least deists.
Most of the world's most advanced, civil, and prosperous countries have many Christians. I do not defend other religions as I consider them false.
Gui10
Active Member
A creator does not mean a god. Like the seas create erosion on rocks.
The universe was always there, it was there before the big bang.
Pozessed
Todd
Prove to me where science logically states that God does not exist.
Pozessed
Todd
There is more logical science to prove God than disprove him.
Pozessed
Todd
Are you preaching from faith, or arguing from science, cuz I want proof of that.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Actually a creation does require a creator that has certain attributes that enable him to be the cause of the effect. Those attributes for whatever created the universe are only present in the Biblical description for God. Look into cause and effect philosophy. Erosion is destruction not creation. Thermodynamics say everthing preceeds to dissorder from order and heat dissipates left alone. It is only intelligence or a very sophisticated machine (biological as well which intelligence is required to exist) that can reverse this. So how did the universe get wound up and create order by it's self. By natural law nothing produces nothing. Why do we have anything? Eternal existince is out, because if time was infinate we could not have crossed an infinate number of seconds to arrive at now. Matter is out because we could not have crossed the infinate number of past events that led to this one. Makes it pretty simple doesn't it? Only an uncaused first cause that has God's attributes can produce what we have. That plus fine tuning, concousness, and morality have made a universe that so clearly screams God that it scared non believing scientists so bad they had to fantasize about multiverses and oscillating verses that not only do not have a single shred of evidence but never could to escape the implications.
Gui10
Active Member
like said, science does not prove either, it just shows the stupidity of religions.
Gui10
Active Member
I'll argue it with logic, listen carefully.
They say the universe came from nothing; so something from nothing. Obviously, something cannot come from nothing, so that ''nothing'', had to be ''something''.
In the case of the universe, nothing is something (somekind of negative energy, I'm not sure).
So you might say, well how can something come from nothing, oh right, there needs to be a creator. Well then I would answer, a creater is ''something'' isn't it? So then Something did not come from nothing, but from something. That something is just what we call nothing.
Physicist are currently working on what that ''nothing'' is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZiXC8Yh4T0
I've watched the entirety of the video twice, I am not a physicist myself and I don't understand all of it, but science requires vigorous testings and no theory can be demonstrated without calculated equations and conclusions.
The way I see it, the universe was once in the ''negative'' (talking about matter) (just picture a scale) and when it reached 0, it exploded into the positives (talking about matter). Yes I know this all seems far fetched, but no more far fetched than the theory of a creator.
If you tell me the creator was always there and he did not need to be created, well I retort that the universe was always there and did not need to be created.
Gui10
Active Member
You say God is uncaused, I say the universe is uncaused. Also, you say eternal existence is out, but is god eternal?
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THE NEXT PART IS ON A PERSONAL NOTE: I am not arguing with science, only on my personal theory on how it all goes around, which has technically no validity but I will allow you to look at it anyhow. Here it is.
I do not believe the universe is eternal.
What is eternal is the number of big bangs and big crunches. What that means is there was always something and we are currently in the ''bang'' phase of the universe. At a finite point in time, the universe will stop expanding and crunch itself (like an elastic). At this point, the time will go backwards and once the crunch will be complete, time will be back to ZERO and it will all begin once again.
Conclusion: the universe is not eternal because it has a finite end where it then relapses back to its starting point and starts a whole new (or the same) journey. That is what is eternal.
The Wizard
Active Member
Exactly. As I have always said, "How can existence "begin" if nothing existed to begin it in the first place? Existence has just always existed, for if not.. then nothing would exist to begin it! Simple logic. The Universe is cyclicle since existence is eternal. And you can't have a big bang without a big crunch...
Just my view...thus outdated.. I still keep it. Until something that makes more sense arrives.
Gui10
Active Member
What is your view on the ''cyclicle'' universe? I believe it is cyclicle as well, that is why I think there must a big crunch to the big bang, so the ''cycle'' can ''re-begin''. In other words, so the ''cycle'', can ''cycle'', like a wheel.
Gui10
Active Member
the question is very vague, what proof do you have of ANY god?
The Wizard
Active Member
Sure, and even the cycle could be so strange and weird beyond reckognition it can't be understood, yet. But, nevertheless, I still go with the eternal existence and some sort of cycle or repetition of the Universe.. It's ironic so few people actually have that view and go off into every other view...