I have to be honest, Islam freaks me out

[Nooj]

OK Nooj, tell me why someone threatening beheadings on the streets of Sydney is not a total fruitcake who should be forcibly put under psychiatric care.

i don't know why you are asking me to explain opinions that are not my own.

evidentally you seem to have already explained it to yourself to your satisfaction.

 

[Madhuri]

You must learn to be tolerant. You shouldn't get angry or overly emotional every time people do something you disagree with.

Are you being ironic?

 

[Music]

Are you being ironic?

According to darkendless, people should be punished for carrying banners.

 

[Madhuri]

According to darkendless, people should be punished for carrying banners.

We are upset because they went through the streets in a major city of our country and acted violently.

You keep defending these people and not once have you said that violence is uncalled for. You have only been defending violence.

 

[apophenia]

i don't know why you are asking me to explain opinions that are not my own.

evidentally you seem to have already explained it to yourself to your satisfaction.

You seem very determined to defend these opinions that are not your own, or at least to dismiss objections to those opinions as being symptomatic of xenophobia.

But I note that you have no answer to my simple enough question. Not surprising, as there is no answer which would be acceptable to anyone who objects to accepting medieval barbarity as an Australian social norm.

 

[apophenia]

According to darkendless, people should be punished for carrying banners.

Absolutely people should be punished for banners calling for murder. Incitement to murder, or incitement to terrorist acts, are both illegal in Australia.

 

[Music]

We are upset because they went through the streets in a major city of our country and acted violently.

You keep defending these people and not once have you said that violence is uncalled for. You have only been defending violence.

Hurting people is wrong, and I have always maintained that. But protests that do not involve violence ... ?

 

[Music]

Absolutely people should be punished for banners calling for murder. Incitement to murder, or incitement to terrorist acts, are both illegal in Australia.

If a child is carrying that banner, will you punish the child?

 

[apophenia]

Hurting people is wrong, and I have always maintained that. But protests that do not involve violence ... ?

A call for beheading is incitement to murder, and incitement for terrorist acts.

How can you fail to make this connection ? The 'protestors' were effectively threatening the community with a call for lethal force to be used against Australians (or anyone) who fail to show obedience to Islamists !

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend ?

 

[apophenia]

If a child is carrying that banner, will you punish the child?

Another diversion. Face up to the fact that inciting murder and terrorism is illegal, because it is profoundly antisocial.

 

[Music]

Another diversion. Face up to the fact that inciting murder and terrorism is illegal, because it is profoundly antisocial.

My point is, if a child is carrying the banner, will you assume that a child of five is calling for beheading? Or if you believe that someone has given the child the banner, how will you find that 'someone' in order to punish them? As you can see, it is rather blurry in such cases, and you'll end up punishing innocent people.

 

[Nooj]

You seem very determined to defend these opinions that are not your own, or at least to dismiss objections to those opinions as being symptomatic of xenophobia.

i don't remember defending opinions that are not my own or dismissing objections to opinions as symptomatic of xenophobia.

please point these instances out to me. if true, these gaps in my memory may be indicative of a serious problem with my mental health.

But I note that you have no answer to my simple enough question. Not surprising, as there is no answer which would be acceptable to anyone who objects to accepting medieval barbarity as an Australian social norm.

your question presupposes that i think someone threatening beheadings on the streets of sydney is not a total fruitcake who should be forcibly put under psychiatric care.

since you know what i think better than me, you already know my answer too. so there's no need for me to say anything.

 

[Music]

A call for beheading is incitement to murder, and incitement for terrorist acts.

How can you fail to make this connection ? The 'protestors' were effectively threatening the community with a call for lethal force to be used against Australians (or anyone) who fail to show obedience to Islamists !

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend ?

In short, there was no physical violence, only your interpretation of the protests as potentially rather than actually dangerous.

 

[apophenia]

In short, there was no physical violence, only your interpretation of the protests as potentially rather than actually dangerous.

There was a call for beheading. A call for actual violence .

That in itself is a form of violence. Which is why it is an illegal act to incite murder.

And if a baby was carrying the placard ... how about if a dog was pulling the placard on a cart ?

Huh ?

That's a killer argument eh ? What if a dog was pulling the placard on a cart ? Or what if they trained a parrot to call for beheading ? How idiotic do you want to make this debate ?

 

[apophenia]

your question presupposes that i think someone threatening beheadings on the streets of sydney is not a total fruitcake who should be forcibly put under psychiatric care.

So tell us.
Do you think the call for beheading is sane behaviour ? Socially acceptable behaviour ?

See if you can answer the question directly without using classic diversions.

 

[Music]

So tell us.
Do you think the call for beheading is sane behaviour ? Socially acceptable behaviour ?

See if you can answer the question directly without using classic diversions.

Isnt your country participating in an illegal war? Do you then wish to have your leaders arrested?

 

[apophenia]

Let me make something crystal clear. I share the streets of Melbourne with a lot of muslim people. If I hear a muslim stating that anyone who insults the prophet must be beheaded, then I am put on notice that my behaviour , my conversation, my artworks, must be approved of by Islamists unless I want to risk being the victim of a ritual beheading.


So Nooj and Music, do you feel that I am obliged by the quran to modify my behaviour ? Is it OK that I should feel under threat of lethal force if I do not cooperate with the Islamist agenda ?

Is that not what the 'protestors' were communicating to me ?

 

[apophenia]

So tell us.
Do you think the call for beheading is sane behaviour ? Socially acceptable behaviour ?See if you can answer the question directly without using classic diversions.

Isnt your country participating in an illegal war? Do you then wish to have your leaders arrested?

That is diversion #1.

 

[apophenia]

Next ...

 

[Music]

That is diversion #1.

You wish to have the protestors arrested because you believe they incite people to violence. But since your leaders are causing actual violence through their illegal wars, do you hold them to the same standard?