Women preachers.....Why????

[Barrackubus]

None of those metaphorical.scriptures proves progressivness

 

[Scuba Pete]

None of those metaphorical.scriptures proves progressivness

What makes them metaphorical?

I have to note here that, so far, you have yet to present a single scripture that says the church should not be progressive. Let's look at a scripture which uses a synonym of progress: transform.

II Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. NIV

The letter kills: the Spirit gives life! I see nothing wrong with women preachers in the 21st century.

 

[Valjean]

The saying is craw, not crawl. Like in "gets under my craw." What is this, an old Get Smart episode?

Well, if you're going to get pedantic at least get it right.
You can't say it gets under my craw. How can something get under a craw?

A craw, or crop, is an expanded portion of a bird's esophagus used for food storage prior to digestion. The expression "stuck in my craw" is to say that you can't swallow something, can't accept it and find it irritating.

 

[Barrackubus]

I maynot but I can.provide.plenty that says women shouldn't be in positions of.authorty in the.church....so.on beong progressive or compromsing the same.thing. The scripture has been.compromised.away. Are we saying the church.who.disallowed womem.from.preaching at the.infancy of the.church.should.have been.progressivr or.compromise.the.scriptiture, where they wrong for not doing so, that is what you are saying, where they out of order.for not disobeying the.scripture when it.told women to be.silent at church, and for only a man to.preach, were.they wrong for.following these scriptures. Or.has modern day xtianity gotten.lax and cold.and.progressivley compromising. Compromised to another side.of.the road, the road.that is.off the.straight and narrow, but a road of.destruction.
Hell.the.apostle paul wouldnt set foot in most churches today, he would call them all back.down.to.the altar...

 

[BSM1]

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uote=Amechania;3077579]The saying is craw, not crawl. Like in "gets under my craw." What is this, an old Get Smart episode?

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Actually it's "in my craw" (part of a bird's digestive system) and "under my skin". Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Barrackubus]

Progressiveness equals compromise to.allow modern day churches to ordain and allow women to preach like a man, who the job only belonged to previously is compromise. When Paul said that in Timothy he said it in a non-progressive manner. He said ... a man must.... And ....he must be the husband of one wife.... No compromise there, no way for progressively getting around that is their?? Sounds like rules.too, to.the person that said the bible isn't.
Women are out of order who hold offices of authority in the church are out.of.order...

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Churches do have women deacons and priests and some have women Bishops...
Others have neither.
The Bible can be used to prove either event.
I suggest you get over it....

When you can prove that those letters attributed to Paul were actually written by him, and were confirmed by the teaching of Jesus then you would have a stronger case.
Till then let Christians make their own decisions.

 

[Barrackubus]

No, I don't see how the bible can be used to.prove both, not without the possibility of taking scriptures out of context, but isn't that what being progressive and compromising is all about, it doesn't mean thst anymore or no longer applies.because it isn't the modern way, so I know longer have to be that way anymore. In otherwords the church has come to a position of being more to the middle neverminding the strict teaching. This is very pagan like and the idea of going to the middle despite teaching is the road to absorbtion.

 

[sojourner]

As a former Christian born again enlightened truth seeking individual, I am all for equality of the sexes, but when I was a church attender nothing got in my crawl faster than a woman who was assuming a pastorship role. The bible clearly dictates that positions of authority is in the hands of men. I see this shift as the waxing of centuries of compromise and shows signs of absorbtion. History in the church shows the advent of woman rights being reected there as well. But the bible clearly states the roleo of women in the church is not at all what is being seen today. Surely the alledged scriptures pretty much proves that the role of women in the church are secondary to that of a man. It tells the women to be silent in the church and if they have any issues to address them.with their husbands. Clearly a few centuries after the birth of the church the roles have been compromised to.such a degree that women are now just as authoritive as men in the church. Specifically when.it.plainly teaches as I originally posted that if any man wants to be a preacher, it also says he must be the husband of one wife. Well since the church excludes homosexuals this discludes women from the role of.pastoring, preaching etc.
Although those places you mentioned where women of.faith were instructed to go and tell does not dictate or give them permission to preach, it simply says they are called to be a witness for what has occured. Also the scripture.teaches women not to urspurp or have authority over a man. And therefore according to scripture to give a woman the office of a pastor or bishop is giving them authority over men. And therefore very much out of order.
What has happened the social structure outside the church has caused changes inside the church, in essence they have changed with the times. The clutches of feminism and equal rights has taken its toll inside the church as well and this is very much the case, when in fact not more than a century ago women were still second class citizens in the churchhouse.
To take the advent of absorbtion even further, we now have some sects ordaining openly admitted homosexuals to the pulpit. The mindset has changed but their scriptures have not, it continues to say the same things while the.people who are entrusted with it pick and choose what is and what is not acceptable no matter what the book says. I find this ironic it shows the disbelief in the absolutes the the alledged holy book is supposed to represent.

Your diatribe is meaningless. It's clear from other texts that women certainly were in positions of authority and leadership. The text to which you refer is most likely reactionary to women who already were in positions of authority in certain places. Therefore, it is a later corruption of Xy that caused women to be barred from leadership roles.

 

[sojourner]

when in fact not more than a century ago women were still second class citizens in the churchhouse.

Not so. There were women evangelists, preachers, and church leaders within the American Restoration Movement as early as 1845.

 

[Barrackubus]

Not so. There were women evangelists, preachers, and church leaders within the American Restoration Movement as early as 1845........ Your diatribe is meaningless. It's clear from other texts that women certainly*were*in positions of authority and leadership. The text to which you refer is most likely reactionary to women who already were in positions of authority in certain places. Therefore, it is a later corruption of Xy that caused women to be barred from leadership roles.





Sources please.....

 

[Barrackubus]

The Sin of Women Preachers! this is a link...

I find this funny, how christians are so divided even on subjects like this...I am glad I am away from it...now this fella has found just as much scripture against it than there is for it, not without thinking could have hapoened, could have been possible, in these scriptures he paints a different picture, is he wrong??

 

[jasonwill2]

The Sin of Women Preachers! this is a link...

I find this funny, how christians are so divided even on subjects like this...I am glad I am away from it...now this fella has found just as much scripture against it than there is for it, not without thinking could have hapoened, could have been possible, in these scriptures he paints a different picture, is he wrong??

At times I'm pretty sure that the site is a giant Satire, but Poe's law makes it hard to tell if it's serious or not given how some can really buy into that stuff.

 

[Pegg]

In the book of I Timothy the bible states that if any man desire the office of a bishop he.desireth a good thing, the account gives an instructive account on the qualifications of this man.

If the Bible contains this account then why within.the last years of my life am I seeing women in authoritive positions that also include bishop and or pastor. While.the.scripture exhorts women to learn in silence it seems they are now making alot.of noise.... Why is.this and why all.the women preachers??

women were preachers in the early christian church

Romans 16:1 I recommend to YOU Phoe′be our sister, who is a minister of the congregation that is in Cen′chre·ae, 2 that YOU may welcome her in [the] Lord in a way worthy of the holy ones, and that YOU may assist her in any matter where she may need YOU, for she herself also proved to be a defender of many, yes, of me myself.

Obviously when paul said that women are to learn in silence, it had nothing to do with being a minister of the congregation. He must have had something else in mind.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I find this funny, how christians are so divided even on subjects like this...

Bigotry grabs at any and everything to support itself. They will twist science and scripture in an effort to justify their hate. To what end?

That most cited passage from Paul to Timothy to support this bigotry has a very telling mark: "I don't allow..." Paul is not citing some deep spiritual law here: he's giving us HIS opinion. He really doesn't tell us what his problem with women in the church is, but he makes it plain that it's HIS problem.

But one has to wonder, if you no longer claim to be Christian, why do you even care?

 

[Barrackubus]

When he used the words "he must be the husband of one wife...." Doesnt sound like an opinion, sounds like inspired instruction. Doesnt sound to bigoted to say that he was very direct when he said this, he wasn't collecting opinions or.giving one, or was leaving it with.options that would be manipulated 2000 thousand years later because of a Laodocian church age.... That has conformed instead of reformed, having an appearance of godliness but denying the power thereof....

 

[Me Myself]

Maybe it's because we live in a more enlightened time than when the Bible was written.

Amen.

 

[Scuba Pete]

When he used the words "he must be the husband of one wife...." Doesnt sound like an opinion, sounds like inspired instruction.

Sure it does. Did he write "The Lord says..." Nope. Jesus only gave us one law: Love each other.

Doesnt sound to bigoted to say that he was very direct when he said this,

Of course it's bigoted. Women were second class citizens back then and Paul reflected that bigotry.

This might come as a surprise to you, but Paul was not perfect and he had weaknesses. He never ever declared himself to be perfect either, but he was GROWING in the grace just as all Christians should. Here's another surprise, the scriptures never, ever claim to be perfect or even the word of God. They actually tell us that Jesus is the Word (Hebrews 1). But, like so many, you treat the traditions of men as the laws of God. Its no wonder to me why you are so disillusioned with Christianity.

 

[crossfire]

Of course it's bigoted. Women were second class citizens back then and Paul reflected that bigotry.

Women weren't even citizens, much less second class citizens, if I remember correctly

Only citizens were entitled to full protection of the law, if I remember correctly, as well. That might also be a reason.

 

[Scuba Pete]

if I remember correctly

if I remember correctly,

Dang! Were you there?