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Why is Hinduism Hardly discussed in this forum?

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
To add to the post: Hinduism is a catch-all religion, where everybody can be Hindu: Atheist, Theist, Animist, Naturalist, Materialist, Idealist, Dualist, Non-Dualist, Polytheist, Henotheist, Theist, Ancestor worshiper. Thus Hinduism includes everybody and nobody at the same time.

This kind of radical universalism is portrayed as something enlightened, tolerant and peaceful, but in fact it just another word for anarchy/mess/confusion/postmodernism. How can Hinduism serve the role of being the religion of anybody when we cannot even decide what its core doctrines/briefs/philosophies/tenets/rituals are. It is reduced to redundancy.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Others have tried to set out a unified position, but generally it just creates a new position, a new take. Kind of like the new breeds of dogs that arise when crossbreeding two established breeds. So what is an attempt at unification has the opposite effect in reality. Same thing happened in other religions. How many types of Baptists are there now?

Personally, although my own take is one traditional path, I appreciate the diversity. Just because I like a gray T-shirt and denims doesn't mean everyone else should. We'd all look the same.
 

Pleroma

philalethist
I have been blatantly told a traditional Indian scholar or a tantrik in a graveyard knows more about Hinduism than me any Western Hindu scholar. Perhaps, given comments like this you can see why many people are being alienated from Hinduism?

Yes, yes Hinduism is practised in graveyards and around corpses, that's our religion, not what you do sitting in air conditioners.

Charnel- and Cremation Grounds

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Try this in your homes.
 
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1robin

Christian/Baptist
I was wondering why there is such a low amount of threads on Hinduism? It is after all the biggest religion in this world currently.

What are your thoughts on this my fellow members?
Not even close.
  1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
  2. Islam: 1.5 billion
  3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
  4. Hinduism: 900 million
  5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
  6. Buddhism: 376 million
  7. primal-indigenous: 300 million
  8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
  9. Sikhism: 23 million
  10. Juche: 19 million
  11. Spiritism: 15 million
  12. Judaism: 14 million
  13. Baha'i: 7 million
  14. Jainism: 4.2 million
  15. Shinto: 4 million
  16. Cao Dai: 4 million
  17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
  18. Tenrikyo: 2 million
  19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
  20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
  21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
  22. Scientology: 500 thousand
Major Religions Ranked by Size

Any religion that embraces 330 million Gods is kind of hard to quantify or take seriously.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Any religion that embraces 330 million Gods is kind of hard to quantify or take seriously.

I'm sorry, but that's just downright insulting. Hindus, like Christians, and every other practitioner of all faiths, do take their religion seriously.
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
1. Incorrect, some say Hinduism is an eternal religion and was never founded. Some say that Hinduism is actually the Tantra religion of the Indus valley civilization, and the Vedic people invaded them and brought their IE religion. Some say that Hinduism was founded by Shiva. Some say it was revealed first by Krishna and has been passed on since then through generations.
Hair-splitting. It's established across all amnayas that Rishis made it manifest, ie founded it, in society. It's also generally accepted to have existed prior to that, eternally.

2. Incorrect, the majority of Hindus have not read the Vedas, Upanishads and certainly not the Brahma sutras. Most Hindus don't read any scripture, they grow up with stories from the Itihas and Puranas. Shaivas and Shaktas do not accept the authority of the Vedas, they read their Tantras and Puranas.

Most religious people haven't read their scriptures either. You missed the point for sake of quibbling again...

3) Incorrect, Brahman is only accepted by the Vedanta schools. This Brahman is either an absolute reality or pure principle that one must realized through Gnosis which is an atheistic conception, to a personal creator who creates the world, judges humans and grants grace and heaven and must be worshiped which is a theistic conception. Massive difference.

Brahman is Shruti, and while perhaps more emphasized in vedanta - and let's be serious, virtually all Hinduism nowadays is Vedanta. Vedanta absorbed the other darshanas into itself, we find Brahman in the other astika darshanas, even Samkhya.

The Samkhya and the yogis do not accept Brahman. The Purva Mimassa does not accept Brahman either. The tribal and folk sects of Hinduism do not worship Brahman either, they worship rats, trees, animals and even people.

This is not true either, and discussing folk Hinduism as such smacks of Western bias. Mimamsa's focus is shabda brahman. The earliest Samkhya texts - the Svetasvatara and the Bhagavad Gita explicitly embrace Brahman/Ishvara.


4) Incorrect, the law of karma is not understood in the same way and reincarnation is not understand in the same way by all Hindus. Some Hindus regard the law of karma as an impersonal law of cause and effect, others regard it as a retributive law God that rewards and punishes sinners. Again massive difference.
Doesn't matter, it's a shared belief that is only strongly emphasized in dharmic religions. Missed the point again.

5) 'Varies' is just another word for no agreements on anything, which is exactly what my argument is saying Hinduism does not agree on anything.

Sects may agree on many things, or have only slightly different positions.

We can also pray together in the same temples, meditate together in the same places, and absorb the same principles within.

There are many sects within Abrahamic religions that find the most minor things to quibble over. How many nails was Jesus tacked up with?

6) Sadhana is a vague term that simply means "religious practice" which is a non-sequiter because the question is asking "What is the religious practice" and you are answering by saying "religious practice" The truth is there is no specific religious practice. Some meditate. Some worship a single monotheistic God. Some perform rituals sacrifices to the gods. Some just do their duty and fulfil their caste obligations. Some perform tantra rituals.
You're putting the wrong questions in the horse's mouth by way of missing the point, as you are wont to do. Belief in the necessity of practice is a unifying belief, rather than it being a passive religion where mere faith (sola fide, and its variant manifestations in Abrahamism) is sufficient, or living by abstract religious law in an arbitrary book - granted, some Hindus seek to apply the dharma smritis in such a manner.

7) Reincarnation is not really specific to Hinduism, because reincarnation is accepted by all dharmic religions.
Yes, a happy unity with Buddhism and Jainism from whom Hinduism has gained so much - and given so much too.

8) There you go then, no single path, every path and no path. No single truth, every truth and no truth. A mess.

An ecosystem. A synergy. A culmination of viewpoints in viewless gnosis.

Put as simply as I can, some people thrive on conflict and division and most of their intellectual output is dedicated to this. Result? Not only perception of difference, but also its enforcement through schismatic attitudes. Naturally they are not given to recognize the similarities and unifying aspects, it runs against their egoic interest to do so.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
If there were to be some sort of 'unification' and there won't be, just who do you propose becomes the head of all this? You? That's not likely. Rather than critique, critique, critique, why not propose some solid paths to betterment, solutions to all the so called problems? (That I and many others don't really see as problems, just life.)

I personally believe in and like the concept of unity in diversity, which basically means no fighting, and accepting the rights of others to have different viewpoints. Of course we don't have to agree ... then it does become some sort of sampradaya hopping confused mishmash for theindividual, which isn't healthy ... for the individual.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
I'm sorry, but that's just downright insulting. Hindus, like Christians, and every other practitioner of all faiths, do take their religion seriously.
I was joking. Apparently a sense of humor and turn the other cheek is further down the list of virtues than it is in Christianity. I kid. Seriously though I do not understand how any religion that allows for 330 million God's could be taken seriously but I am quite sure it is taken as such by many and meant no insult.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Haha, savior on a stick, what a joke. How does anyone take a Jewish zombie, who was his own father, and can save you by eating his flesh and drinking his blood, seriously!?

No it's cool I'm just joking, lol. No offense.

Get my point?
I am not offended. I have the humility and confidence in God that allows me not to be threatened by silly statements or take myself too seriously. I do not think God is threatened by it either. You do not find claiming 330 millions Gods as straining credulity?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You do not find claiming 330 millions Gods as straining credulity?

This is a false statement, and no Hindu that I know believes in it. If it were a true belief, then yes it would strain credulity, whatever that means. I don't ever get seriously offended, but minorly irritated when people toss things about about other faiths without taking the time to have a closer look. I don't see how hurling insults back and forth, whether taken as humour or not gets anybody anywhere. There are finer forms of humour. This reminds me of the bully on the playground who says to the principal .. "But we were just playin' around' as the victim bawls away.

So apology accepted, whether it was sincere or not. I'm not about to stoop to the same level and make some 'joke' about your faith. I'll let other people do that.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
This is a false statement, and no Hindu that I know believes in it. If it were a true belief, then yes it would strain credulity, whatever that means. I don't ever get seriously offended, but minorly irritated when people toss things about about other faiths without taking the time to have a closer look. I don't see how hurling insults back and forth, whether taken as humour or not gets anybody anywhere. There are finer forms of humour. This reminds me of the bully on the playground who says to the principal .. "But we were just playin' around' as the victim bawls away.
In these days where the US has become the united states of the offended and we sue anything for any reason if our feelings get hurt then I should have expected it. However back to the issue. Ravi Zacharias a former Hindu and Philosopher with 4 degrees and 8 honorary doctorates. He said that hinduism has 330 million God's. Wiki confirms this. For the sake of agreement let's say it is only 50,000 is that any more reasonable. Can you just explain how vast quantities of God's are justifiable and I will drop it.

So apology accepted, whether it was sincere or not. I'm not about to stoop to the same level and make some 'joke' about your faith. I'll let other people do that.
I am sorry if you were offended but that was not the intent. I still can't believe that you don't think massive amounts of God's is rediculous, but I can accept it even if I don't get it.
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
33 million, or 330 million, are hyperbolic figures cited by unauthoritative but influential texts - the puranas, medieval documents claiming to be ancient histories of the gods and human civilizations, and full of miscellany and interpolations.

Useful though, with many profound sections distilling the essence of the Vedas/upanishads - which are our 'true' source texts.

Classical Hinduism is monistic, containing both polytheism and monotheism as two hands of the same thing. How? It's based in the idea that man sees God (and herself) as reflected in nature.

The various 'parts' of nature, including human nature, as objectified and discerned by the human mind of speech (Vak, the mother of the gods), convey a particular divine essence - these are the Devas (translated as Gods).

"Gods" is rather a mistranslation of Deva, which refers to shining ones whose presence is spread throughout their particular attribute. For some of the Devas, the Vasus, these are physical things - the classical 5 elements, sun, moon, etc.

For others (Adityas), these are social/psychological abstracts - friendship, righteousness, truth, etc.

And for others (Rudras) they represent the parts of the psyche and the vital breaths which animate life.

Together they compose a threefold mandala (geometric assembly) of 33 deities (from which the hyperbolic numbers are extrapolated) which together represent the unifying point between the macrocosm and the microcosm of the individual subject. They are generated and presided over by Prajapati/Vishvakarman, the creator aspect of Brahman.

Brahman is our single god, conceived as pervading and constituting the universe and everything in it (hence its partite manifestation as the various devas) yet being utterly beyond it, beyond qualities and attributions, including in its perfection the highest attributes without being defined by them.

The Vedas arguably contain the first statements of monotheism - and monism.

In modern times, Hinduism has become more monotheistic, with many Shaivas and Vaishnavas concerning themselves only with their chosen god.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
33 million, or 330 million, are hyperbolic figures cited by unauthoritative but influential texts - the puranas, medieval documents claiming to be ancient histories of the gods and human civilizations, and full of miscellany and interpolations.

Useful though, with many profound sections distilling the essence of the Vedas/upanishads - which are our 'true' source texts.

Classical Hinduism is monistic, containing both polytheism and monotheism as two hands of the same thing. How? It's based in the idea that man sees God (and herself) as reflected in nature.

The various 'parts' of nature, including human nature, as objectified and discerned by the human mind of speech (Vak, the mother of the gods), convey a particular divine essence - these are the Devas (translated as Gods).

"Gods" is rather a mistranslation of Deva, which refers to shining ones whose presence is spread throughout their particular attribute. For some of the Devas, the Vasus, these are physical things - the classical 5 elements, sun, moon, etc.

For others (Adityas), these are social/psychological abstracts - friendship, righteousness, truth, etc.

And for others (Rudras) they represent the parts of the psyche and the vital breaths which animate life.

Together they compose a threefold mandala (geometric assembly) of 33 deities (from which the hyperbolic numbers are extrapolated) which together represent the unifying point between the macrocosm and the microcosm of the individual subject. They are generated and presided over by Prajapati/Vishvakarman, the creator aspect of Brahman.

Brahman is our single god, conceived as pervading and constituting the universe and everything in it (hence its partite manifestation as the various devas) yet being utterly beyond it, beyond qualities and attributions, including in its perfection the highest attributes without being defined by them.

The Vedas arguably contain the first statements of monotheism - and monism.

In modern times, Hinduism has become more monotheistic, with many Shaivas and Vaishnavas concerning themselves only with their chosen god.
Fair enough, I have to leave anyway. Shalom
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
I am not offended. I have the humility and confidence in God that allows me not to be threatened by silly statements or take myself too seriously. I do not think God is threatened by it either. You do not find claiming 330 millions Gods as straining credulity?

My point wasn't to offend you - or other Christians - as only the more adventurous (or obnoxious) are likely to end up in this thread. I have Christian leanings myself, albeit gnostic. I don't actually feel that way about Jesus. My point is that those comments would be taken offensively by the vast majority of Christians, and that perhaps you ought be more careful about what you say - whether or not you are mature enough to overlook offensiveness - easier to advocate when one is on the speaking side of the offense.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
My point wasn't to offend you - or other Christians - as only the more adventurous (or obnoxious) are likely to end up in this thread. I have Christian leanings myself, albeit gnostic. I don't actually feel that way about Jesus. My point is that those comments would be taken offensively by the vast majority of Christians, and that perhaps you ought be more careful about what you say - whether or not you are mature enough to overlook offensiveness - easier to advocate when one is on the speaking side of the offense.
You did not offend me in any way. Every source I find says Hinuism has umpteen God's and I find that spurious. You attempted to clarify and gave some good info that I will review later. Thanks no offence taken. Peace.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I've never heard of Ravi Zacharias until now. Western scholars have generally (not all, but many) taken great pains to belittle, ridicule, and portray Hinduism in a negative light. I think a more credible source of information is the Hindus themselves. But that's just me. Personally, I believe in one God with many helpers, something similar to what Shuddasattva said. In the meantime, I'll look into this Ravi Zacharias chap. Editted - Oh I see, an evangelical preacher knows more about Hinduism than Hindus do. Just amazing!
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
You do not find claiming 330 millions Gods as straining credulity?

They aren't 'Gods'. That's a poor translation.

But even so, why would that be weird? It's still far less amount of gods than amount of humans currently populating this small planet. Imagine that the entire universe were populated by gods. 330 is a tiny figure.

Oh wait, maybe that's why it's strange. Too few.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Do any of my Hindu friends know where the 330 mill figure comes from? What source?
 
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