Let asylum seekers fly in.

[Gharib]

The Australian government should allow asylum seekers to fly into Australia at one tenth of the cost of coming on people smugglers' boats, says billionaire Clive Palmer.

Let asylum seekers fly in: Palmer

Do you agree with his proposal?

For those who don't know, hundreds of people who seek asylum in Australia drown each year in the oceans and seas on their way to Australia. The Australian government want to keep all asylum seekers offshore into Malaysia and those who are legit to be granted visas to live in Australia, the rest are to be returned home.

However, people will still try to come directly to Australia, but if they are given permission to enter the country as Palmer states, the death toll will decrease so too the number of illegal boats which charge about $10,000 for one person. There won't be any more boats if Australia welcomes asylum seekers and process them within Australian borders.

Any thoughts?

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Mixed feelings on this. Unchecked immigration is no small thing, especially when so many people fail to assimilate and become social undesirables and burdens on their host country, which they treat with parasitical contempt.

That said, people drowning at sea struggling to get to a less hellish life is... no small thing either. Smugglers exploiting such people for large sums, which no doubt finance even less savor activity cannot be dismissed.

So, I think this dilemma is incomplete in of itself. If the Australian government sets up an assimilation program for new arrivals, then I think it would be very worthy of support. Such a gesture of effective compassion would much reduce the likelihood of immigrants becoming undesirables.

 

[nnmartin]

I suggest Palmer let 100 live in his house with him, and also pay the rent for the next 100.

see how keen he is on his own proposal then.:sarcastic

don't want to drown? - don't get on an illegal boat.

Simple.

and,why is it Australia's fault and burden if these boat people cannot sort their own countries out?

basically it isn't, so these people should be turned away unless they have something worthwile to offer.

 

[Nooj]

you think of it as a burden to help asylum seekers find asylum. i think of it as a responsibility. our country is a signatory to the un declaration on refugees. that means we have a duty to grant asylum to those who are really asylum seekers.

Mixed feelings on this. Unchecked immigration is no small thing, especially when so many people fail to assimilate and become social undesirables and burdens on their host country, which they treat with parasitical contempt.

please provide evidence that 'so many people fail to assimilate and become social undesirables and burdens on their host country, which they treat with parasitical contempt'.

 

[Flankerl]

What could possibly go wrong.

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Graphic video: Australia Muslim protest turns violent, police dog bites man - YouTube


I support Australians who want to be left alone.

 

[Nooj]

the protestors were either born here or immigrated legally, like all australians. they have nothing to do with the topic of asylum seekers.

 

[apophenia]

the protestors were either born here or immigrated legally, like all australians. they have nothing to do with the topic of asylum seekers.

Here is what they have to do with asylum seekers - they are guaranteeing that many Australians who would otherwise be sympathetic to asylum seekers now want the border shut tight.

Good move.

But they don't care about the other asylum seekers, their eyes are glazed over with a violent love of god.

Expect to see the Australian community becoming more averse to asylum seekers after that atrocious display of primitive threat posturing.

 

[darkendless]

This asylum seeker issue has me torn. I have the following thoughts:

1) It is awful that these people must resort to such drastic measures to get here.

2) It is common knowledge that these people get given free meals, accomodation and monetary hand outs. Why such royalty for people who come here illegally?

3) Why aren't these people sent out to remote communities to work? Urbanisation in Australia is a problem. Our government would do well to utilise this "free labour" more effectively.

4) These people have a colourful history of biting the hand that feeds. We should be intolerant of dissent towards our people and our government by people who are very lucky to be here.

The asylum seeker issue is losing popularity because these people do not help themselves and its costing us an arm and a leg to support them. QLD alone is in so much debt its not funny. So instead of stabilizing our states we throw money at these people. With massive government job losses I expect the issue to become more serious.

 

[Nooj]

Here is what they have to do with asylum seekers - they are guaranteeing that many Australians who would otherwise be sympathetic to asylum seekers now want the border shut tight.

Good move.

But they don't care about the other asylum seekers, their eyes are glazed over with a violent love of god.

the other asylum seekers? what evidence do you have that the protestors were asylum seekers?

 

[apophenia]

the other asylum seekers? what evidence do you have that the protestors were asylum seekers?

You are being too clever by half. You know exactly what my post meant. It meant that the actions of those 'protestors' ( I call them terrorists, since their aim is to terrorise non-muslims into 'submission') will have a negative effect on the community's sympathy for asylum seekers. And I'm sure you know I meant that.

 

[Nooj]

at first i thought maybe you meant that australians would connect the protestors and the asylum seekers. i dismissed that though because there's no reason to connect the protestors and the asylum seekers. the protestors are protestors. the asylum seekers are asylum seekers. they have as much connection with each other as surfers and asylum seekers.

but then i noticed you said 'other asylum seekers', so i thought to myself, apophenia must mean that the protestors are asylum seekers, and that is why australians will connect the two. but now you say that is wrong. so i don't know what you mean.

 

[apophenia]

at first i thought maybe you meant that australians would connect the protestors and the asylum seekers. i dismissed that though because there's no reason to connect the protestors and the asylum seekers. the protestors are protestors. the asylum seekers are asylum seekers. they have as much connection with each other as surfers and asylum seekers.

but then i noticed you said 'other asylum seekers', so i thought to myself, apophenia must mean that the protestors are asylum seekers, and that is why australians will connect the two. but now you say that is wrong. so i don't know what you mean.

Of course you know what I mean. I reiterated it unambiguously so there would be no doubt about what I meant. Read my post previous to this one. It is totally clear what I mean.

So why aren't you answering that instead of throwing out diversions ?

Once again, your cleverness is betraying you.

 

[Nooj]

thanks for calling me clever. i haven't heard such a good joke in a long while!

You are being too clever by half. You know exactly what my post meant. It meant that the actions of those 'protestors' ( I call them terrorists, since their aim is to terrorise non-muslims into 'submission') will have a negative effect on the community's sympathy for asylum seekers. And I'm sure you know I meant that.

i'm afraid i still don't understand. why would the actions of the protestors (or terrorists if you are so inclined) have a negative effect on the community's sympathy for asylum seekers?

 

[darkendless]

and that is why australians will connect the two.

Are you not Australian also? :sarcastic

 

[darkendless]

thanks for calling me clever. i haven't heard such a good joke in a long while!

i'm afraid i still don't understand. why would the actions of the protestors (or terrorists if you are so inclined) have a negative effect on the community's sympathy for asylum seekers?

The nationality and religion of the asylum seekers we see on T.V.

The fact that the asylum seekers have been equally as stupidly violent towards the hand that feeds.

It is very easy to link the two together.

 

[Nooj]

It is very easy to link the two together.

i think you'd have to work very hard to link the two together.

The nationality and religion of the asylum seekers we see on T.V.

why would we connect the various nationalities of the asylum seekers to the australian nationality of the protestors?

if australians will connect the religion of the protestors with the religion of (some) asylum seekers, then would they not already have done that after 9/11 or bali or the madrid or london bombings? and yet, many australians don't seem to look negatively at asylum seekers just because they share the same religion as islamic terrorists. i'm not saying there aren't people who think that. but i believe they're in the minority.

many of the iraqi asylum seekers are christian. i don't think that the good actions of christians at home and abroad will colour australian views on asylum seekers. why? because they are presented to us as 'asylum seekers', an amorphous mass of people. unless we pay attention, we do not see them as 'people who are seeking asylum'. and that is a different label altogether. people who are seeking asylum encompass many different nationalities and religions and cultures and reasons for seeking asylum. right now, i'm afraid that we're so ignorant or uncaring that we can't even wrongly connect the asylum seekers who are muslims to muslim australians. to do that, we'd have to show some interest in the people who are arriving to australian waters and i think that's unfortunately lacking in our society.

The fact that the asylum seekers have been equally as stupidly violent towards the hand that feeds.

i don't know what i could say to that. so i won't say anything.

 

[darkendless]

i think you'd have to work very hard to link the two together.

why would we connect the various nationalities of the asylum seekers to the australian nationality of the protestors?

Really? Come on. The mainly middle eastern appearance of the protestors and the mainly middle easter appearance of the asylum seekers.

I didn't think i'd have to spell that out. I'm not saying I agree, but i work with some very Aussie Aussies (if that makes sense).

if australians will connect the religion of the protestors with the religion of (some) asylum seekers, then would they not already have done that after 9/11 or bali or the madrid or london bombings? and yet, many australians don't seem to look negatively at asylum seekers just because they share the same religion as islamic terrorists. i'm not saying there aren't people who think that. but i believe they're in the minority.

many of the iraqi asylum seekers are christian. i don't think that the good actions of christians at home and abroad will colour australian views on asylum seekers. why? because they are presented to us as 'asylum seekers', an amorphous mass of people. unless we pay attention, we do not see them as 'people who are seeking asylum'. and that is a different label altogether. people who are seeking asylum encompass many different nationalities and religions and cultures and reasons for seeking asylum. right now, i'm afraid that we're so ignorant or uncaring that we can't even wrongly connect the asylum seekers who are muslims to muslim australians. to do that, we'd have to show some interest in the people who are arriving to australian waters and i think that's unfortunately lacking in our society.

i don't know what i could say to that. so i won't say anything.

Whilst I generally agree here, my question is why? Why should we care about asylum seekers? We have enough problems of our own and these people are draining funds that could be helping those who have 1) come here legally or 2) were born here.

We have homeless people, inadequate support systems, lacking infrastructure and countless other things that should be our priority. People get too emotional and forget these people are coming here illegally. While I sympathise, I am very torn and consider the asylum seeker issue to be something that will eventually cause widespread anger.

 

[apophenia]

We have homeless people, inadequate support systems, lacking infrastructure and countless other things that should be our priority. People get too emotional and forget these people are coming here illegally. While I sympathise, I am very torn and consider the asylum seeker issue to be something that will eventually cause widespread anger.

There is a basic error here . The asylum seekers are not illegal.

Australia is a signatory to an international agreement on asylum seeking. And there is no Australian office of immigration for people to walk into in Afghan towns. Their need is often urgent.

Having said that, their need is mostly because of the violence between Hazaras and Pashtuns (basically Shiites and Sunnis). And the conflict between Shiites and Sunnis was not in any way created by America. The history of that conflict is as old as Islam - it comes with the package.

That is an issue which makes the claims that Islam is peaceful somewhat questionable - after over a thousand years that conflict is still passionate and deadly. The hanging of Saddam Hussein highlighted this. In the background are Shia muslims praising the victory of Hussein's Shia rivals.

This should be remembered by those who think Australians are racist or prejudiced when they are uncomfortable about accepting basically unlimited numbers of muslim people from areas where this conflict dominates society. An unfortunate fact is that we are allowing that conflict to take up residence here in Australia. The Shias and Sunnis are way more prejudiced against each other in Iraq and Afghanistan than Australians are prejudiced against muslims.

The whole issue is clouded by these concerns, and of course the fear of importing dangerous advocates of violent jihad. Even if only a fraction of 1% of asylum seekers have radical views (either about global jihad, or Sunni-Shia rivalries), that still amounts to enough people to cause serious problems.

Trying to balance that against humanitarian concerns is no simple thing.

 

[Nooj]

Really? Come on. The mainly middle eastern appearance of the protestors and the mainly middle easter appearance of the asylum seekers.

I didn't think i'd have to spell that out. I'm not saying I agree, but i work with some very Aussie Aussies (if that makes sense).

the asylum seekers come from many countries, not just the middle east. for example, there are a lot of sri lankan asylum seekers and they look nothing like a person from lebanon or wherever. but how many australians know about that?

if it's true that australians will connect australians of middle eastern descent with asylum seekers from the middle east, asia and africa, simply because we think we know what asylum seekers look like, then we're a bunch of idiots, i'm sorry to say.

 

[darkendless]

the asylum seekers come from many countries, not just the middle east. for example, there are a lot of sri lankan asylum seekers and they look nothing like a person from lebanon or wherever. but how many australians know about that?

if it's true that australians will connect australians of middle eastern descent with asylum seekers from the middle east, asia and africa, simply because we think we know what asylum seekers look like, then we're a bunch of idiots, i'm sorry to say.

It bothers me that you continually separate yourself from Australians. I ask again, are you not an Australian?

Like with many things, people only know what they see and they see what they are presented in the media. They're no more idiotic than anyone else. At least these Australians aren't ruining their own country.