I can carry freakin' machete around town!

[Riverwolf]

I've looked up what the laws are concerning carrying weapons, particularly in California, where I live. Technically, the situation is the same, at least in San Francisco, concerning swords. I, personally, love swords, but the only reason I would have to carry one around (I have no plans to, and if I ever did, it would be clearly peace-tied), would be because it is, for me, a symbol of pure freedom and trust. Thing is, anyone else could report it to the police, and you could get arrested for disturbing the peace. Or, at least, the weapon could get confiscated.

I don't know if that's the case in West Virginia, but it's worth keeping in mind. I, personally, would never carry around something that I spent over a hundred USD on.

Besides, while it might feel great to carry around a sword, or other big knife, sometimes, it sounds like something whose novelty would wear off VERY quickly.

 

[jasonwill2]

I would do so because you had a huge weapon out in public. That instantly screams out problem to me. It is a possible danger.
You would actually most likely go to jail. Especially when the prosecutor did a little research on you and found threads like this, that suggest that it wasn't just out of self-defense (and trust me, it wouldn't be that hard to misconstrue what you are saying here).

Also, usually when people feel "safer" by carrying a weapon, there is a likely hood they will either do something dumb with it, or be injured by it. That, and you are probably asking for trouble. It happens very often that a "tough guy" is attacked just for prideful reasons.

Finally, just because we live in America, and have the right to do so, doesn't mean we should do it. And it certainly doesn't mean you can do it without someone questioning you.

How the hell would they find "threads like this"? My username is not tied to my real name. Also it's not always illegal to walk around armed. Did you miss the part where I said I was going to go ahead and just wait a couple of months, when I will be able to apply for a concealed weapons permit, instead of going out and doing this?

It was more than anything the novelty of it, but when people didn't think that was enough I decided to throw in some other reasons. Gosh I'm not going to lob someone's head off. I don't even talk to people I don't know in public unless they are an employee at a store and I need their help with something. it is extremely unlikely I would even run into a conflict if I never even engage in interaction with anyone.

Also I have carried a blade for defense around on me before because I often ride at night on a bike. And if I DID run into trouble, my escape would be problematic. I have never run into an issue, and I have never had to confront anyone. I wouldn't DARE ever attack someone for "prideful" reasons because the very risk of them being armed as well, or the risk in general of me being injuries, as well as the legal repercussions of attacking someone for mere words, is never worth it.

I have generally been throughout my life a very non-violent person, and have only ever been in two actual "fights", only one of which I started (and lost miserably, It was my first ever I was only 15), and the other in which I was attacked and tried to escape (until I was followed and cornered after my initial escape, and had no options. However this is a story for a different time). I am more likely to flee than fight as it has much less risk involved.

I can legally carry on me any blade less than 3 and a half inches, hidden, without a permit in my state, as it is not considered a "deadly weapon". And I do so quite often when in public. I have NEVER run into an issue or confrontation in which I needed to even let the person know I had it, and plan on keeping it that way. However, it is best to always be prepared. Also I have found knives to also be handy at times as tools.

Especially considering all this :

jasonwill2 Offline
Religion: Violence & Opposition
Title:Adrenline Induced Mania

Oh for the love of God, do you seriously think my religion is literally violence? And again how the **** would the police find out my online persona when I keep it very separate from my real life one? How would they even find it?

Doing some yard work?

Actually yes, there has been a huge amount of brush out around my house. As I live out of town I can go parading all across my property without a worry with this thing. I actually got rid of some really pesky plant growth with it, but the huge brayers and **** that is choking out what is left of my blackberry bushes still needs worked on.

That pretty much sums it up. There is a world of difference between LHP and what those words indicate. Compulsion is the antithesis of will. Being subject to attention-seeking bloodrushes to the head is not an indication of will. Just the opposite in fact.

First of all, the "Violence and Opposition" is more a joke than anything to annoy Christians, who think that anyway. The "Adrenline Induced Mania" refers to one of my primary magickal techniques.

Also you really, REALLY presume waaaay to much. Most wouldn't even consider me "Left Hand Path" because I openly and explicitly praise and worship God. And at that, you really can't honestly tell me that you think I am some attention whore who is stuck in "compulsion" just because I want to do something unusual. I hadn't realized until a bunch of negative posts came rolling in that perhaps people are ******* little sissies and might get oh so scared because someone has a device FOR CLEARING BRUSH on them, while OUTSIDE.

I don't believe you can even really know anything about me, and why I do or do not do something. "Satan" is not having a "will" as you put it, as that is nothing but an illusion; any well developed "will" is just a self-actualized form of animal compulsion, nothing more. Could it be that I wanted to indulge in a novelty, and just wanted to feel awesome? Scaring people NEVER crossed my mind. I honestly didn't even think most people would really notice or even care. I go around town on a bike, so chances are most people wouldn't even give me two glances. It's not like I was going to go walk up to people and show it to them. As I said, I would do my USUAL thing and not even talk to anybody.

I've looked up what the laws are concerning carrying weapons, particularly in California, where I live. Technically, the situation is the same, at least in San Francisco, concerning swords. I, personally, love swords, but the only reason I would have to carry one around (I have no plans to, and if I ever did, it would be clearly peace-tied), would be because it is, for me, a symbol of pure freedom and trust. Thing is, anyone else could report it to the police, and you could get arrested for disturbing the peace. Or, at least, the weapon could get confiscated.

I don't know if that's the case in West Virginia, but it's worth keeping in mind. I, personally, would never carry around something that I spent over a hundred USD on.

Besides, while it might feel great to carry around a sword, or other big knife, sometimes, it sounds like something whose novelty would wear off VERY quickly.

That is probably true, about the novelty of it. I just don't see why everyone is flipping out about this, I've been looking to see if this is legal and was just saying that so far it seems so. But all things considered, it might actually be more hassle than it's worth if say I decide want to go inside somewhere. I can understand why people would feel uncomfortable if I am inside a place with it, and rightfully so. But if I am outside on public streets I didn't see any real issue with it either socially or (so far) legally.

However as I don't want to bother with figuring out all the logistics of county and city laws, I'll just wait until I get a concealed weapons permit.

 

[jasonwill2]

I almost forgot, pictures!

I did some customizations.

I roughed up the blade quite a bit as I explain here:

Also at 1:54 I actually show the blade up close so you can see those marks in much greater detail.

[youtube]zs_62qzFQbM[/youtube]
My First Ever Machete - YouTube

I think I will make that 16 color picture my new avatar

edit: I just realized how terrible my hair looks in the video, as I was home all day when I recorded it and I don't think I brushed it. :areyoucra Also wtf I never wear khakis, where are my blue jeans? (But yes I wear that shirt a lot, purple rules)

 

[Quagmire]

Oh for the love of God, do you seriously think my religion is literally violence?

Oh for the love of conceptual coherency, what difference does it make what I think?

And again how the **** would the police find out my online persona when I keep it very separate from my real life one? How would they even find it?

If we or any other site were shown a court order demanding to turn over someone's IP address, I'm pretty sure we we would have to. If you've ever posted from your own home, there ya go. They'll know exactly who you are and where you live.

And that was before you posted all those pictures of yourself here.

 

[jasonwill2]

Oh for the love of conceptual coherency, what difference does it make what I think?



If we or any other site were shown a court order demanding to turn over someone's IP address, I'm pretty sure we we would have to. If you've ever posted from your own home, there ya go. They'll know exactly who you are and where you live.

And that was before you posted all those pictures of yourself here.

What? No, I mean if local police arrested me how would they know I was using this site? What you said only makes sense if someone reported something I did or said on this site to the police.

For me getting arrested by local police, it makes NO sense at all. How would they know what sites I frequent if I didn't tell them, and how would they find my profile out of the mess of everything anyway, and why would they look online for something they saw me doing in real life anyway?

It is all redundant. It's not like I'm posting this on facebook or anything, which is where they usually look.

Cop A: "Hey we caught him with a weapon on him walking around public."

Cop B: "Really? We should totally find out what websites he goes to for evidence against him, not knowing what usernames he uses or what sites he even goes to."

Seriously... why would the internet even come up in this scenario?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I've trained in the use of an actual sword for about 4 years now. Early on in my training (i.e. when I had been at it for less than 6 months, doing supervised training twice a week) while I was still using a wooden sword, there were a few times when I, like most people, whacked myself on the head "edge" first. Because it was just wood, it was no big deal, but it would have been a very serious injury if I had been using a real sword. Even last year (so after I passed shodan, the equivalent of a first degree black belt), I managed to give myself a nice scar on my arm while training... and that was with an unsharpened blade.

The idea of a person carrying a large blade for self defense without proper training makes me very nervous. I think a blade in such a person's hands would be as much of a danger to themselves as it would be to an attacker.

 

[jasonwill2]

OK Quagmire, let me put it this way:

If I am arrested for carrying a machete in public, why would they even need to go online? They have all the evidence they need. And if they did go online, where would they start, and why the hell would they need my IP from you guys when they already have me in custody?

And why would they get a court order to give you my IP, when they would already know where I live. What, are you going to call my local police station because I was seeing if I could legally carry a machete around town? That's the only way your scenario makes even the slightest sense.

If someone is arrested for smoking pot in public, would the police scour the internet for the person, when they already have caught them red-handed, and aside from facebook, is there any realistic chance of them finding that person online? And what purpose would that serve? Why would they even need to do that, to go online looking for the person?

It all sounds really paranoid to me.

Cop A: "He was walking around town with a machete. The internet must be involved!"

Cop B: "Lets google his name and see if he used it on any websites to shoot in the dark hoping to find something!"

.... hours later...

Cop A: "Ya, we ain't gonna find anything."

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What? No, I mean if local police arrested me how would they know I was using this site? What you said only makes sense if someone reported something I did or said on this site to the police.

For me getting arrested by local police, it makes NO sense at all. How would they know what sites I frequent if I didn't tell them, and how would they find my profile out of the mess of everything anyway, and why would they look online for something they saw me doing in real life anyway?

It is all redundant. It's not like I'm posting this on facebook or anything, which is where they usually look.

Cop A: "Hey we caught him with a weapon on him walking around public."

Cop B: "Really? We should totally find out what websites he goes to for evidence against him, not knowing what usernames he uses or what sites he even goes to."

Seriously... why would the internet even come up in this scenario?

It came up for Kimveer Gill. And I'd assume that vampirefreaks.com is no bigger than RF.

Kimveer Gill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edit: I'm not saying that you're going to shoot up a school. What I'm saying is that there have been enough prominent cases where people who ended up committing violent acts would post pictures of themselves online posing with weapons that I think it's the sott of thing that the cops might care about.

 

[jasonwill2]

I've trained in the use of an actual sword for about 4 years now. Early on in my training (i.e. when I had been at it for less than 6 months, doing supervised training twice a week) while I was still using a wooden sword, there were a few times when I, like most people, whacked myself on the head "edge" first. Because it was just wood, it was no big deal, but it would have been a very serious injury if I had been using a real sword. Even last year (so after I passed shodan, the equivalent of a first degree black belt), I managed to give myself a nice scar on my arm while training... and that was with an unsharpened blade.

The idea of a person carrying a large blade for self defense without proper training makes me very nervous. I think a blade in such a person's hands would be as much of a danger to themselves as it would be to an attacker.

:biglaugh:

Do you really think I would depend on this for protection? It's so huge by the time I put my hand on the handle to undo the lace holding it in the sheath I would be on the ground. It was mostly just to feel "cool", but people didn't buy that they had to read something in it so I put a strawman reason "defense" up.

Really, I already carry a small blade for defense.

Also I've never cut myself with any of my blades. Also I've not even so much as tapped myself in anyway while practicing swings with my machete. I'm not doing some samurai fancy stuff anyway. Just hack and slash and make sure you stay out of your line of fire and any brush you run into is toast.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Garrett Wade has a very nice selection of bladed tools.

Garrett Wade Woodworking Tools & Supplies, Shop Tools, Hand Tools, Measuring Tools, Knives & Drills

 

[jasonwill2]

[he edited it]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimveer_Gill#section_4

But that is a social networking site. After he shot up the place someone probably mentioned he went to the site.

Also don't you EVER compare me to a mass murderer or serial killer. I am offended that as a person who was trying to make sure that he is OBEYING the law would be compared to a murderer.

And at that I already said I was going to not do this as it is too much of a gray area legally anyway. [Though going through the hassle of figuring out city and county laws is probably just as a big reason to not bother with the hassle).

Why must you people treat me like I'm some psychotic criminal?

 

[jasonwill2]

Garrett Wade has a very nice selection of bladed tools.

Garrett Wade Woodworking Tools & Supplies, Shop Tools, Hand Tools, Measuring Tools, Knives & Drills

That reminds me, I need my own hatchet. The ones on my property belong to my landlord and I'm afraid of doing anything with them while out in the woods for fear that the old things will break.

Plus I just want my own hatchet that I can call my own and get attached to. I like hatchets, probably more than machetes. As well hatchets are more versatile.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

:biglaugh:

Do you really think I would depend on this for protection? It's so huge by the time I put my hand on the handle to undo the lace holding it in the sheath I would be on the ground. It was mostly just to feel "cool", but people didn't buy that they had to read something in it so I put a strawman reason "defense" up.

Hmm. My mistake for taking you seriously, I guess.

My personal opinion is that it's a bad idea to carry a weapon you would never use. It's of no benefit to you, but in the right circumstances, it could potentially be taken by an attacker and used against you.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Why must you people treat me like I'm some psychotic criminal?

People who play with knives scare people. I know this because I like to play with knives and it scares people. All I have to do is whip out a butterfly and start flapping it around for peoples eyes to go all buggy. Pay no attention to them.

 

[fallingblood]

How the hell would they find "threads like this"? My username is not tied to my real name. Also it's not always illegal to walk around armed. Did you miss the part where I said I was going to go ahead and just wait a couple of months, when I will be able to apply for a concealed weapons permit, instead of going out and doing this?

It really wouldn't be that hard. If you would end up "defending" yourself with that blade, and seriously injured someone, they would be looking up your online activity. In fact, I had a large section on just that in one of my criminal justice courses.

And that goes regardless of whether or not you have a concealed weapons permit. If you read what I stated, I wasn't talking about just walking around with it, but if you ended up "defending" yourself with it. That is when they would search you out.

Also, just because you have a concealed weapons permit, if cops see the weapon, they can still stop you and question you. And if you "defended" yourself with it, such a permit really is not going to get you off the hook.

Just as a final note, having Satan (or ha-satan, really doesn't matter here) engraved on the blade will make people question you more if you happen to use it to "defend" yourself.

It was more than anything the novelty of it, but when people didn't think that was enough I decided to throw in some other reasons. Gosh I'm not going to lob someone's head off. I don't even talk to people I don't know in public unless they are an employee at a store and I need their help with something. it is extremely unlikely I would even run into a conflict if I never even engage in interaction with anyone.

One of your reasons was for self-defense (at least you mentioned such), and that will end up you in jail, or prison. And it may not be that you talk to people in public, but there is a chance that people seeing you carry around such a large blade, see how you look (first impressions do make a lot of difference), and think that you're looking for trouble (and thus they attack you, there are quite a few vigilantes out there), or they attack you or confront you because they like picking on people who "look tough," or some other reason.

Carrying around a large blade, while having long hair like yours, does send a message to people. And one such message is that you are someone who would "lob someone's head off."

Also I have carried a blade for defense around on me before because I often ride at night on a bike. And if I DID run into trouble, my escape would be problematic. I have never run into an issue, and I have never had to confront anyone. I wouldn't DARE ever attack someone for "prideful" reasons because the very risk of them being armed as well, or the risk in general of me being injuries, as well as the legal repercussions of attacking someone for mere words, is never worth it.

Completely different. That blade was concealed. This blade is large, and not concealed (at least not how you first mentioned). Someone may attack you for prideful reasons because of that. I never implied or suggested you would attack anyone.

I can legally carry on me any blade less than 3 and a half inches, hidden, without a permit in my state, as it is not considered a "deadly weapon". And I do so quite often when in public. I have NEVER run into an issue or confrontation in which I needed to even let the person know I had it, and plan on keeping it that way. However, it is best to always be prepared. Also I have found knives to also be handy at times as tools.

We aren't talking about a 3 and a half inch blade though are we? The blade you are talking about is a deadly weapon, and is considered as such. So basically everything you said here is useless as we aren't talking about a small blade. You were talking about a large blade, that wouldn't be concealed. A very different story.

 

[Quagmire]

What? No, I mean if local police arrested me how would they know I was using this site? What you said only makes sense if someone reported something I did or said on this site to the police.

For me getting arrested by local police, it makes NO sense at all. How would they know what sites I frequent if I didn't tell them, and how would they find my profile out of the mess of everything anyway, and why would they look online for something they saw me doing in real life anyway?

It is all redundant. It's not like I'm posting this on facebook or anything, which is where they usually look.

Cop A: "Hey we caught him with a weapon on him walking around public."

Cop B: "Really? We should totally find out what websites he goes to for evidence against him, not knowing what usernames he uses or what sites he even goes to."

Seriously... why would the internet even come up in this scenario?

Put it this way: in any serious court case, the prosecution is going to use anything they can come up with and look for it anyplace they can think of.

Everybodies online these days.

People tend to let their hair down online because of the illusion of anonymity.

You can bet the legal professionals and law enforcement agencies are aware of all this and using it in every way they can think of.

An internet investigation is easier, more conveinant, cheaper, and potentially more comprehensive than any traditional form of investigation. If one of these agencies or professionals is trying to build a case against someone where character and psychology is an important factor, you can bet online is one of the first places they're going to look.

Your computer has a history.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But that is a social networking site. After he shot up the place someone probably mentioned he went to the site.

Also don't you EVER compare me to a mass murderer or serial killer. I am offended that as a person who was trying to make sure that he is OBEYING the law would be compared to a murderer.

And at that I already said I was going to not do this as it is too much of a gray area legally anyway. [Though going through the hassle of figuring out city and county laws is probably just as a big reason to not bother with the hassle).

Why must you people treat me like I'm some psychotic criminal?

I don't know if you saw my edit to that post - it explained more about what I was gerting at.

In the aftermath of the Dawson College shooting (as in other incidents, I'm sure), it came out that Gill had shown warning signs, including posting photos of himself with weapons. I remember the outcry: a lot of people said things like "if we had paid attention to the warning signs, we might have stopped the shooting."

That's the sort of climate we're in now, when you come along posting photos of yourself and with weapons and talking about carrying one openly in public.

It doesn't matter that it's legal. It doesn't matter if your intentions are peaceful. This is precisely the sort of behaviour that would likely be interpreted as a warning sign.

You say you're obeying the law? Well, that's all fine and good, but the cops can make life very difficult for you while obeying the law themselves if they think you might be a danger to the public.

 

[jasonwill2]

It really wouldn't be that hard. If you would end up "defending" yourself with that blade, and seriously injured someone, they would be looking up your online activity. In fact, I had a large section on just that in one of my criminal justice courses.

And that goes regardless of whether or not you have a concealed weapons permit. If you read what I stated, I wasn't talking about just walking around with it, but if you ended up "defending" yourself with it. That is when they would search you out.

Also, just because you have a concealed weapons permit, if cops see the weapon, they can still stop you and question you. And if you "defended" yourself with it, such a permit really is not going to get you off the hook.

Just as a final note, having Satan (or ha-satan, really doesn't matter here) engraved on the blade will make people question you more if you happen to use it to "defend" yourself.
One of your reasons was for self-defense (at least you mentioned such), and that will end up you in jail, or prison. And it may not be that you talk to people in public, but there is a chance that people seeing you carry around such a large blade, see how you look (first impressions do make a lot of difference), and think that you're looking for trouble (and thus they attack you, there are quite a few vigilantes out there), or they attack you or confront you because they like picking on people who "look tough," or some other reason.

Carrying around a large blade, while having long hair like yours, does send a message to people. And one such message is that you are someone who would "lob someone's head off."
Completely different. That blade was concealed. This blade is large, and not concealed (at least not how you first mentioned). Someone may attack you for prideful reasons because of that. I never implied or suggested you would attack anyone.
We aren't talking about a 3 and a half inch blade though are we? The blade you are talking about is a deadly weapon, and is considered as such. So basically everything you said here is useless as we aren't talking about a small blade. You were talking about a large blade, that wouldn't be concealed. A very different story.

Put it this way: in any serious court case, the prosecution is going to use anything they can come up with and look for it anyplace they can think of.

Everybodies online these days.

People tend to let their hair down online because of the illusion of anonymity.

You can bet the legal professionals and law enforcement agencies are aware of all this and using it in every way they can think of.

An internet investigation is easier, more conveinant, cheaper, and potentially more comprehensive than any traditional form of investigation. If one of these agencies or professionals is trying to build a case against someone where character and psychology is an important factor, you can bet online is one of the first places they're going to look.

Your computer has a history.

Hmm. My mistake for taking you seriously, I guess.

My personal opinion is that it's a bad idea to carry a weapon you would never use. It's of no benefit to you, but in the right circumstances, it could potentially be taken by an attacker and used against you.

Knowing my lack of experience in fights, and my general tendency to hesitate for slight seconds, I would probably lose such a large blade. Guess I will stick to clearing out brush and feeling "cool" with it in my back yard. Oh, and I might try it with some rituals sometimes. Having a bigger blade to point at stuff just seems more epic.

People who play with knives scare people. I know this because I like to play with knives and it scares people. All I have to do is whip out a butterfly and start flapping it around for peoples eyes to go all buggy. Pay no attention to them.

That is true. I hear that it is more feared than guns. Quite silly people. Then again by the time one takes out a gun, flips off the safety, and aims down the sights and pulls the trigger, I can dash into them from several feet away. Or so I hear. I still wouldn't try it though, my plan is to avoid having a gun pointed at me in the first place.

 

[jasonwill2]

Ok so apparently blades are out of the question, I somehow missed this:

§61-7-4. License to carry deadly weapons; how obtained.

(a) Except as provided in subsection (h) of this section, any person desiring to obtain a state license to carry a concealed deadly weapon shall apply to the sheriff of his or her county for the license, and shall pay to the sheriff, at the time of application, a fee of $75, of which $15 of that amount shall be deposited in the Courthouse Facilities Improvement Fund created by section six, article twenty-six, chapter twenty-nine of this code. Concealed weapons permits may only be issued for pistols or revolvers. Each applicant shall file with the sheriff, a complete application, as prepared by the Superintendent of the West Virginia State Police, in writing, duly verified, which sets forth only the following licensing requirements:

I underlined it. Well darn, this seems stupid. I don't see why someone can carry a gun that can kill/injure several people in seconds at several yards, but not a blade that can only hurt people within arm's reach, and at that only has a range as fast as the person can run...

 

[Iti oj]

Jason I love hatchets too I take mine almost every where...well left in the car or camp site at least. For self defense i use a can of axe and a lighter. Fire in some ones face scares the **** outa them. I actually prevented a car jacking this way once