What is your view of the Bible?

[Rainbow Mage]

Ramrod must be God's mouthpiece now! Oy vey!

 

[ramrod8789]

You have no idea to whom you are talking. You're preaching to the wrong choir.

Circular argument. How do we know about the Law, in order to keep it? From the Bible.

See Torah, See Koran, See Exodus 20. Keep the commandments of God for this is mans All.

If you are not to tell a lie since telling a lie is a sin and the end result of sin is your soul continuing in Death. answer in truth for me this.

What day did the US drop the Bomb on Hiroshema?

A) 5 April 30 AD
B) 5 April 2010 AD
c) U.S. dropped the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" on the city of Hiroshima on Monday, August 6, 1945

Only one of these answers is the truth absolute.

Now if you think you can speak truth and choose wisely the correct answer of the last question, answer also this next question with truth from God since those of the truth hear God's voice.

What day of the week did Jesus experience Crucifixion on the cross?
Page 25 of this link illustrates all the differing denominational perceptions for this single event presenting the possiblity of Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday since the Christian world claims all three of these days as truth from God about God.

Which denominational perception is speaking the truth? See page 25
http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

Before criticizing another denominational view presented please explain why your view is more correct than the other denominational views presented. This can be done if truth about God exists and that truth is solid

 

[sojourner]

Ramrod must be God's mouthpiece now! Oy vey!

Yeah, so when we dis him, he'll claim that all God's prophets were dissed, which must prove that he's a valid prophet.:super:

 

[sojourner]

A) 5 April 30 AD
B) 5 April 2010 AD
c) U.S. dropped the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" on the city of Hiroshima on Monday, August 6, 1945

Only one of these answers is the truth absolute.

Historical dates have very little to do with theological truth.

What day of the week did Jesus experience Crucifixion on the cross?

Why does it matter? The theological truth of the crucifixion does not depend on the calendar.

 

[ramrod8789]

Ramrod must be God's mouthpiece now! Oy vey!

Simply asking for Christians who claim to be of the truth too share with me truth. does that make me God's mouth peice? If a Christian were a true follower of God they should be God's mouthpeice since they keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.

if they do not keep the commandments of God can they still claim to have the testimony of Jesus?

Jesus spoke truth from heaven that was not in written form. Why are christians reliant on written form when Jesus promised them a spirit of truth. the same spirit Jesus received on the Day of his Baptism?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Ramrod the majority of mainstream Christians don't rely on the written alone. They believe the Spirit continues to guide the Church to truth, and that's why there's tradition.

 

[ramrod8789]

Historical dates have very little to do with theological truth.

Why does it matter? The theological truth of the crucifixion does not depend on the calendar.

It does matter if truth is important for salvation of the soul.


Proverbs 14:25
A true witnesses delivers souls, But a deceitful witness speaks lies.

Proverbs 6:19
A false witnesses who speaks lies, is one who sows discord among brethren.

dis·cord: (d s kôrd ) n.. 1. a. Lack of agreement among persons, groups, or things. b. Tension or strife resulting from a lack of agreement; dissension.

Can mankinds soul be delivered with a lie? or do lies simply create more denominations in the christian world?

 

[sojourner]

Simply asking for Christians who claim to be of the truth too share with me truth. does that make me God's mouth peice? If a Christian were a true follower of God they should be God's mouthpeice since they keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.

if they do not keep the commandments of God can they still claim to have the testimony of Jesus?

Jesus spoke truth from heaven that was not in written form. Why are christians reliant on written form when Jesus promised them a spirit of truth. the same spirit Jesus received on the Day of his Baptism?

Some
Christians are not that reliant on the texts. Some are informed by the Tradition of the Church, which is the Body of Christ -- which, as you claim, received the Spirit of truth.

 

[ramrod8789]

Ramrod the majority of mainstream Christians don't rely on the written alone. They believe the Spirit continues to guide the Church to truth, and that's why there's tradition.

At what point does the church reach the truth? When they can heal with a word? when they have the physical and spiritual gifts of the spirit?

What chuch has these gifts in full measure?

If they do not have the full gifts, are they the true church that jesus started or are they simply playing the harlot and prodigal son not knowing they are existing in half the truth becuae they no not that they are missing the other half of the truth?

 

[sojourner]

It does matter if truth is important for salvation of the soul.

That particular truth does not lie within the set of truth that is efficacious for the salvation of the soul.

 

[sojourner]

At what point does the church reach the truth?

The Church doesn't reach the truth. It is truth, as Christ is truth, since the Church is Christ's Bpody on earth.

are they the true church that jesus started

Ball games and horse races are started. Lawn mowers and chain saws are started. The Church is and always has been the Body of Christ.

or are they simply playing the harlot and prodigal son not knowing they are existing in half the truth becuae they no not that they are missing the other half of the truth?

Jesus loved the harlot, just as she was. The Father received with joy the Prodigal -- just as he was.

 

[ramrod8789]

Some
Christians are not that reliant on the texts. Some are informed by the Tradition of the Church, which is the Body of Christ -- which, as you claim, received the Spirit of truth.

Which tradition of the church reveals the truth? Is it Easter? Is it Christmass?

For jesus to have fulfilled the Laws of moses would he not have been physically born on the first day of the feast of tabernacles?

How does Easter reveal Jesus fulfilling the Laws of moses concerning the Passover?

Just becuse Christian men have accepted false traditions that keep them cut off from the spirit of God, does that mean they are saved?

Can they save others? if they cannot save others for what reason do Christians feel the need to evangelize a book of fragmented historical recordings that does not always speak a truth? would they be more productive to keep the Law, receive the baptism of spirit (one true gospel of CHrist) and then take the gospel to the world thorugh living example?

 

[ramrod8789]

The Church doesn't reach the truth. It is truth, as Christ is truth, since the Church is Christ's Bpody on earth.

Ball games and horse races are started. Lawn mowers and chain saws are started. The Church is and always has been the Body of Christ.

Jesus loved the harlot, just as she was. The Father received with joy the Prodigal -- just as he was.

Which church? The Catholics? the Baptist? The adventists?

 

[reloadthis]

If your body is a temple, then church has nothing to do with salvation. Tradition helps people maintain good behavior. But, do you really think it is truthful to follow rules in order to attain salvation? Moses's laws were to establish moral behavior as best as possible in people who would otherwise have no conscience. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within, and do not judge. Tradition is all about judgment. If you don't follow a rule, however arbitrary it may be, you are wrong. Shame is not what Jesus taught. He tried to show us love and forgiveness.

 

[sojourner]

Which tradition of the church reveals the truth? Is it Easter? Is it Christmass?

Think bigger. Tradition includes the celebration of holy days, among many other things.

For jesus to have fulfilled the Laws of moses would he not have been physically born on the first day of the feast of tabernacles?

Since fulfillment of the Law entailed a parabolic move to counter the mythic, I'd say not.

How does Easter reveal Jesus fulfilling the Laws of moses concerning the Passover?

Since Christ overcame death, I'd have to say that's fairly self-explanatory.

Just becuse Christian men have accepted false traditions that keep them cut off from the spirit of God, does that mean they are saved?

The Tradition isn't false. And it points us toward God -- not the other way 'round.'
None of that has the slightest thing to do with God's salvation.

Can they save others?

God saves.

if they cannot save others for what reason do Christians feel the need to evangelize a book of fragmented historical recordings that does not always speak a truth?

I don't know what you mean by "evangelize."

would they be more productive to keep the Law,

We endeavor to do that, as best we can.

receive the baptism of spirit

Been there, done that. To wit: Pentecost

then take the gospel to the world thorugh living example?

Why should we do that? What part of Moses' Law says to "take the gospel to the world?"

 

[sojourner]

Which church? The Catholics? the Baptist? The adventists?

The Church is one.

 

[ramrod8789]

If your body is a temple, then church has nothing to do with salvation. Tradition helps people maintain good behavior. But, do you really think it is truthful to follow rules in order to attain salvation? Moses's laws were to establish moral behavior as best as possible in people who would otherwise have no conscience. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within, and do not judge. Tradition is all about judgment. If you don't follow a rule, however arbitrary it may be, you are wrong. Shame is not what Jesus taught. He tried to show us love and forgiveness.

The fulfillment of the Law is love. This means one must keep the law to fulfill the law. Traditions can cause men to break the law.There are many traditions I can name which cause men to break the laws of God.

Your words are true when you claim the body is the temple. How can one clean the temple with the doctrine of repentance if they keep not the law. How will the spirit of God fill the temple if the temple is in corruption and lawlessness?

 

[sojourner]

The fulfillment of the Law is love.

Christ fulfills the Law. When one follows Christ, one enters into that fulfillment.

Traditions can cause men to break the law.

Since the Tradition of the Church is to follow Jesus, I don't see how that's true.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

At what point does the church reach the truth?

Well in traditional view, the truth is ultimately beyond human understanding, but the Spirit will keep revealing more and more of the truth to the Church as time goes on. That's why there's tradition and that's why the Church progresses with time.

 

[AxisMundi]

Many claim the bible is truth from God. At what point is the spirit of truth inspiring truth when it places the anointing in bethany event 6 days before the passover according to John. Matthew and Mark place this one time event 2 days before the Passover.

I know that truth from God is pure truth absolute. I learned this by using God's word (Prophecy) as a light to the differing testimonies of Men from with in the bible as well as Christian denominational history as a whole.

So in effect it is a learning tool in regards to prophecy fulfillment that the letter kills and the spirit of truth is the only thing that can give life.

untill men see truth from Error/ Good seed from Bad seed sown in the same field, They will remain in the darkness of human perception choosing lies over the truth that can only come from God. For example, page 25 of the below link illustrates the differing perceptions of human imagination for the fulfillment of 3 days and 3 nights. Which illustration on that page is speaking the full truth from God about God?

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the death and resurrection.pdf

Feel free to choose a colored arrow on the top time line if it represents your perceptional starting point for the beginning of the 3 days and 3 nights prophecy. After making your selection please explain yourself as to why your choice was more of a correct truth than what other denominations present which are objectively reflected on that page.

hear that sound? That sort of wet thump?

That was your credibility hitting rock bottom.