What is your view of the Bible?

[FlyingTeaPot]

Like any myth, the bible is mostly allegory. Take the good parts and incorporate them in your morality. Take the bad parts and use as toilet paper.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Far too complex to nail down with a single forum post...

 

[AxisMundi]

Like any myth, the bible is mostly allegory. Take the good parts and incorporate them in your morality. Take the bad parts and use as toilet paper.

What constitutes, and who decides, what the "good" parts and the "bad" parts are?

That is the question, and the problem.

 

[ramrod8789]

I'm asking this because I'm curious how everyone views the Bible, and I don't see how asking this could turn into an argument, because usually someone accuses me of trying to attack Christianity in an underhanded way, which I'm not trying to do, but anyway, moving on. I'll begin with my view of the Bible.

I believe the Bible is some history of the Jewish people mixed with some myth, some legend, some folklore, and some wisdom teachings. The Old Testament that is. I'm not sure where the actual history starts, since I think the Exodus was a myth, I think likely around Judges or 1 Samuel, when it starts taking about Israelite rulers and kings. The New Testament, I believe, is an attempt by the Church to create a list of books on the teachings of Jesus, which they find acceptable. They have excluded several books from the canon, for whatever reason they saw fit. I do not think it is an entirely accurate account of the teachings of Jesus, all history suggests it has been edited, more then once, throughout the years it was in the hands of the Church strictly. Now, what about everyone else. What is your view of the Bible?

The bible with it's many changing versions is Satans Greatest deception to keep men ever learning and never coming to the truth of God through the Law.

If even one word found in the pages of the bible is false and men claim that lie to be truth from God, they are telling a lie, how then will they repent?

Truth is from God alone. All the stories of the bible are simply there to give us the understanding of importance to keep the Law yet all Christians today think the Law is not that important.

It identifies the sins you are to refrain from commiting. How can you go and sin no more if you think it's ok to continue in sin?

Jesus said if somthing causes you to sin, Cut it off. The bible causes millions to sin since the bible was created by man with it's fragments of half truths and lies. Keep the Law of God and you will know the truth about God from God as the men of old did that the book attempts to record.

Men have claimed the book is perfect truth from God because they are traditionally blinded by retoric of ignorance.

Prove the book is with out flaw before claiming it to be with out flaw. I can prove it is flawwed and the truth i can share is solid based on the evidence the book presents in it's many versions. God's word is truth absolute, solid, and never changes. Your bible however does change and does not always present a truth absolute.

 

[ramrod8789]

What constitutes, and who decides, what the "good" parts and the "bad" parts are?

That is the question, and the problem.

To see the good seed from the bad seed which has been sown in the same field. Seek to understand and live the Law of God. Men of the past who did not know or keep the Law of God already made much of this choice for you when they made your bible. Here is just a piece of what you are missing due to the choice of a man 1700 years ago. read this portion of ancient text in full as you will find it differs greatly from the lie you will find in your bible for this single point of Earth history.

And Jesus said unto them, Ye have heard what men in the world say concerning me, but whom do ye say that I am? Peter rose up with Andrew his brother and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, who descendeth from heaven and dwelleth in the hearts of them who believe and obey unto righteousness. And the rest rose up and said, each after his own manner, These words are true, so we believe. 3. And Jesus answered them saying, Blessed are ye my twelve who believe, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto you, but the spirit of God which dwelleth in you. I indeed am the way, the Truth and the Life; and the Truth understandeth all things.4. All truth is in God, and I bear witness unto the truth. I am the true Rock, and on this Rock do I build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it, and out of this Rock shall flow rivers of living water to give life to the peoples of the earth. 5. Ye are my chosen twelve. In me, the Head and Corner stone, are the twelve foundations of my house builded on the rock, and on you in me shall my Church be built, and in truth and righteousness shall my Church be established. 6. And ye shall sit on twelve thrones and send forth light and truth to all the twelve tribes of Israel after the Spirit, and I will be with you, even unto the end of the world.7. But there shall arise after you, men of perverse minds who shall through ignorance or through craft, suppress many things which I have spoken unto you, and lay to me things which I never taught, sowing tares among the good wheat which I have given you to sow in the world. 8. Then shall the truth of God endure the contradiction of sinners, for thus it hath been, and thus it will be. But the time cometh when the things which they have hidden shall be revealed and made known, and the truth shall make free those which were bound. 9. One is your Master, all ye are brethren, and one is not greater than another in the place which I have given unto you, for ye have one Master, even Christ, who is over you and with you and in you, and there is no inequality among my twelve, or their fellows. 10. All are equally near unto me. Strive ye not therefore for the first place, for ye are all first, because ye are the foundation stones and pillars of the Church, built on the truth which is in me and in you, and the truth and the law shall ye establish for all, as shall be given unto you. 11. Verily when ye and your fellows agree together touching anything in my Name, I am in the midst of you and with you. 12.Woe is the time when the spirit of the world entereth into the Church, and my doctrines and precepts are made void through the corruption of men and of women. Woe is the world when the Light is hidden. Woe is the world when these things shall be.

 

[AxisMundi]

ramrod, I hope someda you will see the hypocracy you jsut poured over this thread.

First you claim that the Bible is some tool of your Satan, and then go on to tell us we should use the stories within as teaching tools, and then go on to theospam us with quotes from your scriptures.

Sorry, but it is impossible to take you seriously at this point.

 

[sojourner]

The bible with it's many changing versions is Satans Greatest deception to keep men ever learning and never coming to the truth of God through the Law.

If even one word found in the pages of the bible is false and men claim that lie to be truth from God, they are telling a lie, how then will they repent?

Truth is from God alone. All the stories of the bible are simply there to give us the understanding of importance to keep the Law yet all Christians today think the Law is not that important.

It identifies the sins you are to refrain from commiting. How can you go and sin no more if you think it's ok to continue in sin?

Jesus said if somthing causes you to sin, Cut it off. The bible causes millions to sin since the bible was created by man with it's fragments of half truths and lies. Keep the Law of God and you will know the truth about God from God as the men of old did that the book attempts to record.

Men have claimed the book is perfect truth from God because they are traditionally blinded by retoric of ignorance.

Prove the book is with out flaw before claiming it to be with out flaw. I can prove it is flawwed and the truth i can share is solid based on the evidence the book presents in it's many versions. God's word is truth absolute, solid, and never changes. Your bible however does change and does not always present a truth absolute.

You're imposing a flat aspect onto the texts, which simply are more than you give them credit for. The Bible can convey truth, even though it be flawed. Not sure that I even agree that truth is absolute, from our POV.

 

[ramrod8789]

ramrod, I hope someda you will see the hypocracy you jsut poured over this thread.

First you claim that the Bible is some tool of your Satan, and then go on to tell us we should use the stories within as teaching tools, and then go on to theospam us with quotes from your scriptures.

Sorry, but it is impossible to take you seriously at this point.

Many claim the bible is truth from God. At what point is the spirit of truth inspiring truth when it places the anointing in bethany event 6 days before the passover according to John. Matthew and Mark place this one time event 2 days before the Passover.

I know that truth from God is pure truth absolute. I learned this by using God's word (Prophecy) as a light to the differing testimonies of Men from with in the bible as well as Christian denominational history as a whole.

So in effect it is a learning tool in regards to prophecy fulfillment that the letter kills and the spirit of truth is the only thing that can give life.

untill men see truth from Error/ Good seed from Bad seed sown in the same field, They will remain in the darkness of human perception choosing lies over the truth that can only come from God. For example, page 25 of the below link illustrates the differing perceptions of human imagination for the fulfillment of 3 days and 3 nights. Which illustration on that page is speaking the full truth from God about God?

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

Feel free to choose a colored arrow on the top time line if it represents your perceptional starting point for the beginning of the 3 days and 3 nights prophecy. After making your selection please explain yourself as to why your choice was more of a correct truth than what other denominations present which are objectively reflected on that page.

 

[ramrod8789]

You're imposing a flat aspect onto the texts, which simply are more than you give them credit for. The Bible can convey truth, even though it be flawed. Not sure that I even agree that truth is absolute, from our POV.

You are correct in that the bible can convey truth. When looking at the 4 bible testimonies for the death and resurrection is it not a truth to say that the bible presents 4 half truths for this event that lead men to differing speculations concerning how Jesus fulfilled 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth and that not all the differing speculations of men are truth from God but speculations by the imaginations of men who were not present looking for a way to justify their belief in a lie.
Page 25 at this link illustrates clearly what I am talking about
http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

 

[sojourner]

Many claim the bible is truth from God. At what point is the spirit of truth inspiring truth when it places the anointing in bethany event 6 days before the passover according to John. Matthew and Mark place this one time event 2 days before the Passover.

The truth lies in the theology the story conveys, regardless of the placement of aspects of that story.

I know that truth from God is pure truth absolute.

We are incapable of knowing that truth purely or absolutely.

Again, you're imposing a rather flat aspect onto the texts that does not realistically represent them. It's a straw man argument.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I find the idea of the bible far more powerful and fascinating than anything the various books of it actually contain.

 

[sojourner]

When looking at the 4 bible testimonies for the death and resurrection is it not a truth to say that the bible presents 4 half truths for this event that lead men to differing speculations concerning how Jesus fulfilled 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth and that not all the differing speculations of men are truth from God but speculations by the imaginations of men who were not present looking for a way to justify their belief in a lie.

No. It would be a truth to say that there are at least four different ways of looking at the passion narrative, and that the scriptures are polyvalent.

 

[ramrod8789]

The truth lies in the theology the story conveys, regardless of the placement of aspects of that story.

We are incapable of knowing that truth purely or absolutely.

Again, you're imposing a rather flat aspect onto the texts that does not realistically represent them. It's a straw man argument.

To say that we are incapable of knowing that truth purely or absolutely is to say that we are incapable of knowing God. Only a Christian would make this claim since they have never known God and are simply content with reading about the men of the past who did know God.

Jesus said those of the truth would hear his voice, not read about the fragments of the past untill they were dead in the grave. Seek to hear God's voice and you will know a much greater truth than you currently perceive yourself as having.

To know truth about God from God, Keep the Law and don't let the bible cause you to continue to speak lies.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

To say that we are incapable of knowing that truth purely or absolutely is to say that we are incapable of knowing God. Only a Christian would make this claim since they have never known God and are simply content with reading about the men of the past who did know God.

Jesus said those of the truth would hear his voice, not read about the fragments of the past untill they were dead in the grave. Seek to hear God's voice and you will know a much greater truth than you currently perceive yourself as having.

To know truth about God from God, Keep the Law and don't let the bible cause you to continue to speak lies.

My someone sure is arrogant and puffed up!

 

[sojourner]

To say that we are incapable of knowing that truth purely or absolutely is to say that we are incapable of knowing God. Only a Christian would make this claim since they have never known God and are simply content with reading about the men of the past who did know God.

Hmm... Don't know about that. Xians are the ones who embrace God With Us. But, since we are human, we can (and do) know God -- but not absolutely.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus said those of the truth would hear his voice, not read about the fragments of the past untill they were dead in the grave. Seek to hear God's voice and you will know a much greater truth than you currently perceive yourself as having.

You have no idea to whom you are talking. You're preaching to the wrong choir.

To know truth about God from God, Keep the Law and don't let the bible cause you to continue to speak lies.

Circular argument. How do we know about the Law, in order to keep it? From the Bible.

 

[ramrod8789]

No. It would be a truth to say that there are at least four different ways of looking at the passion narrative, and that the scriptures are polyvalent.

So what you are saying is that truth is not solid and is simply a matter of human perception built on the fragments of recorded history.

Was nicodemus really at the tomb assisting with the burial simply because the gospel of John implies this? How do you know this is not false testimony concerning this event?

If it is false testimony and you are climing it to be a truth are you not telling a lie? how then will you be of the truth to hear God's voice?

 

[sojourner]

My someone sure is arrogant and puffed up!

Like the Hindenburg...
Oh, the humanity!

 

[Rainbow Mage]

If it is false testimony and you are climing it to be a truth are you not telling a lie? how then will you be of the truth to hear God's voice?

How are you of the truth that you hear God's voice? What makes you so sure?

 

[sojourner]

So what you are saying is that truth is not solid and is simply a matter of human perception built on the fragments of recorded history.

No, I'm saying that we do the best we can with what we have to work with.

Was nicodemus really at the tomb assisting with the burial simply because the gospel of John implies this?

Who cares? It's relatively unimportant to the message of the story.

How do you know this is not false testimony concerning this event?

I don't. But at least I'm honest enough to state that I don't know, and honest enough to treat the texts with the scholasticism and discernment they deserve, in order to arrive at a fairly solid theological exegesis of the texts.

If it is false testimony and you are climing it to be a truth are you not telling a lie?

I'm not claiming to do that. You're claiming that I'm doing that. Who's the liar now?