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You bunch of chauvenists. Has nobody thought about the women yet? Many young Somali girls should have much to say I think on the topic of circumcision. (man that disgusts me)
dust1n, has this thread changed/steered your opinion on the practice at all, or are you still on the fence, so-to-speak?
I'm very ignorant about the subject. Will somebody enlighten me?
dust1n said:As for personal freedom, do as you please, in regards to your own genitalia.
Other than pure medical issues, like what Storm mentioned, there is absolutely no point to circumcising infants - it's pure child abuse.
Rather than cutting off every boy's forskin for this rumoured microscopic hygiene boost, let's give better education to the parents and children directly at how to properly clean one's genetalia.
Don't want an STD? Wear a condom - duh!
Want to be clean down there, then wash down there - duh!
I've never been circumcised thank God, but my Father was (for medical reasons), personally, I'd hate to be circumcised - I bet it hurts like Hell. Besides, it's hardly difficult for one to clean down there anyways.
Bottom line is, for anything other than a sound medical reason, circumcision is pointless child abuse brought on by religious and cultural tradition (i.e, nonesense).
Yep, I pretty much agree there, and that's one of the reasons I'm against most "forms" of circumcision - because it's virtually always done against the recipient's will.
But again though, for legitimate medical conditions that's another story.
Can some one help me understand the STD issue on cut or uncut? How does being uncut help? I thought, normally, during sexual intercourse the foreskin begins to retract. In this case you are exposed so how does that help?
Actually, being cut helps. But again, hygiene is key and if condoms are used then circumcision shouldn't even be a factor.Can some one help me understand the STD issue on cut or uncut? How does being uncut help? I thought, normally, during sexual intercourse the foreskin begins to retract. In this case you are exposed so how does that help?
Actually, being cut helps. But again, hygiene is key and if condoms are used then circumcision shouldn't even be a factor.
I'm happy being circumcised, but if I had a son I don't think I could bring myself to have that done to him unless it was medically necessary. When my brother's first son was born, I tried to talk him out of having him circumcised, but they decided to go ahead with it.
I of course don't have any memory of my circumcision, but from what my mother has told me, the whole thing was rather traumatic for my parents and grandparents. That was fifty years ago, though; routine circumcision was the norm. Around 90% of American men my age who were born in hospitals were circumcised. I don't think my parents ever considered the question of whether it should be done; it was expected that it be done.
It makes sense to perform elective surgery in an unhygeinic environment?As a past ritual, it makes sense. Hygeine was never immediately available, but the practice itself in any 'developed' country seems rather outdated.
Actually, being cut helps.
Well, you've got me there. Circumcised men are at lower risk for almost any STD you can think of than uncircumcised men, but I don't know why. I would imagine that it's either hygiene problems or injury to the foreskin or both, but I've never seen any data.How does beign cut help?:sarcastic
I mentioned one study that found a negative correlation between circumcision and cervical cancer: for the entire study group, women with circumcised partners had a statistically significant (but minor) reduction in cervical cancer rates compared to women with uncircumcised partners. However, when they considered only "low-risk" couples (i.e. where neither partner had intercourse before age 17 and neither had engaged in "high risk" activities like using prostitutes), the difference in cervical cancer rates between the women with circumsized partners vs. uncircumsized was statistically insignificant.However, the increased risk for uncut men is slight, and some studies haven't shown any increased risk at all. Also, circumcision does not lower the risk of STD transmission to the circumcised man's sexual partners.
Actually, being cut helps. But again, hygiene is key and if condoms are used then circumcision shouldn't even be a factor.
It makes sense to perform elective surgery in an unhygeinic environment?
The traditional way to remove a forskin after it's been cut in Judaism is for the rabbi to use is teeth. I find that highly disgusting, and can't believe that a purity tradition would involve using your teeth to remove a babie's forsking. Just utterly disgusting if you ask me.
The traditional way to remove a forskin after it's been cut in Judaism is for the rabbi to use is teeth. I find that highly disgusting, and can't believe that a purity tradition would involve using your teeth to remove a babie's forsking. Just utterly disgusting if you ask me.