Shoe is on the other foot: Prove there is not God.

[Archer]

Well, I don't have a problem with people having a belief in a god. So long as they don't act on those beliefs or try and get their beliefs legislated or pushed on to other people. I would prefer that people embrace reality, but at the same time you're free too believe whatever you like as long as it isn't effecting anyone else or infringing on my rights.

I completely agree! It need be both ways though. Some people (Christians) don't seem to understand we are to be in the world not of the world. We are to spread the Gospel, not ram the Bible down the throat of others. Many will say I do that, but this is a forum not the street. I more want those who do not agree with my views to at least understand the foundation of them. I am not a Fundi or a liberal or a moderate, I try to take a stand based on the texts of the Bible which seem to have been left at the door of most Churches.

On the other side of things we have a fear among many Christians that they are under attack by the outside world! Jesus said this would happen. It is the truth as well. If you look at some of the laws in the Senate and House you will see many things that are very scary to Conservative Christians. I have read most of these laws and find no foundation for the fears, but the legislation if misinterpreted by a left wing justice could mean the end of a lot of things that Christians hold dear. Freedom of speech in the Church, the Bible being demonized as a book teaching hate.

So to truly understand this you must know the inside of the Conservative Church. They are scared.

 

[Smoke]

If your whole point of debating is to prove that God cannot be proven to exist with the carnal (fleshly) mind then I have to agree with you 100%.The carnal mind is at enmity with God and cannot know him or be subject to his laws.

I agree that one must be out of one's mind to imagine that one knows the mind of God.

 

[Archer]

Is God an idea or emotion?


So far, I'd have an easier time trying to disprove grubloog* than I would God as you've presented it.

People have asked you a few times, so I'll try again: which God?

What do you mean by "God"? What are this God's attributes? What attributes are you sure that this God doesn't have?



*"grubloog" being a word I just made up with no definition.

Billions of people believe in the God of Abraham! How is that for evidence? Billoins of people believe something, science is still rolling along and yet we believe. Billions of individual testimonies is more than science has books.

That one.

 

[Smoke]

So to truly understand this you must know the inside of the Conservative Church. They are scared.

The fiercest hatreds are always born of fear. It's too bad that conservative Christians have no way of overcoming their fears, and instead allow themselves to be consumed by fear to the point of actively doing harm to their neighbors who have done no harm to them.

 

[JMorris]

Well here, let me solve this little problem once and for all! I am God and so are you and you and you.... we are all god experiencing itself. Walks away, brushing off hands.....

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is just energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.” - Bill Hicks

 

[Archer]

The fiercest hatreds are always born of fear. It's too bad that conservative Christians have no way of overcoming their fears, and instead allow themselves to be consumed by fear to the point of actively doing harm to their neighbors who have done no harm to them.

I assume you are talking about laws? If so I can agree to a point, I mean if the Church stayed out of some things then those things would leave them alone.

 

[Smoke]

Billions of people believe in the God of Abraham! How is that for evidence? Billoins of people believe something, science is still rolling along and yet we believe. Billions of individual testimonies is more than science has books.

If we can believe Jesus, that seems to be evidence against your argument.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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[challupa]

I completely agree! It need be both ways though. Some people (Christians) don't seem to understand we are to be in the world not of the world. We are to spread the Gospel, not ram the Bible down the throat of others. Many will say I do that, but this is a forum not the street. I more want those who do not agree with my views to at least understand the foundation of them. I am not a Fundi or a liberal or a moderate, I try to take a stand based on the texts of the Bible which seem to have been left at the door of most Churches.

On the other side of things we have a fear among many Christians that they are under attack by the outside world! Jesus said this would happen. It is the truth as well. If you look at some of the laws in the Senate and House you will see many things that are very scary to Conservative Christians. I have read most of these laws and find no foundation for the fears, but the legislation if misinterpreted by a left wing justice could mean the end of a lot of things that Christians hold dear. Freedom of speech in the Church, the Bible being demonized as a book teaching hate.

So to truly understand this you must know the inside of the Conservative Church. They are scared.

Why are they scared though? The laws that are usually made are to allow "secular" people more rights, ie abortion etc. No one is forcing a conservative christian to have an abortion, they are just making it possible in case some one needs it. I don't see why that is so scary. What happens if your wife gets pregnant for example and you know she wil die if she goes through with the pregnancy. Should you not have the right to end the pregnancy? All laws do is give people choices. That's how I see it anyway.

 

[challupa]

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is just energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.” - Bill Hicks

Well thar ya go... Proof

 

[cottage]

I can simply say you have no foundation for your argument. How can you disprove what can not be proven? It is completely illogical yet I believe. I see the world through my eyes as you through yours. Though we see the same things we describe different things. It is about perception.

Sorry, what can’t be proven? For if you’re saying to me that there is an entity, a being that creates and sustains the world, then you are making an assertion, a proposition that you claim is true. If it’s true, then you must be able prove that it is true, otherwise it is just a baseless claim.
So, although by your own admission you can’t demonstrate the truth of what you claim, I can show that particular propositions, concerning the biblical God for example, are contradictory and therefore demonstrably false.

The idea of God isn’t necessarily illogical by any means, but what does makes it illogical are the speculative characteristics that are awarded to God. And I disagree that it’s about perception; it’s about a disposition, a strong inclination to believe in an idea, and that is why the object of the belief cannot be proved.

 

[Archer]

Why are they scared though? The laws that are usually made are to allow "secular" people more rights, ie abortion etc. No one is forcing a conservative christian to have an abortion, they are just making it possible in case some one needs it. I don't see why that is so scary. What happens if your wife gets pregnant for example and you know she wil die if she goes through with the pregnancy. Should you not have the right to end the pregnancy? All laws do is give people choices. That's how I see it anyway.

Like I said I don't see the issues as they do.

It was brought up recently about homosexuals getting protected status and that scared many in the Church. IDK why as I read the law those protections should be for every human being.

As to the above mentioned, they think someone will tale their Bible away or something if the preach the immorality of homosexuality, go figure.

If they are teaching the old Leviticus code then by all means take the Bible and throw them in a dark place to talk to themselves for a while.

 

[challupa]

Like I said I don't see the issues as they do.

It was brought up recently about homosexuals getting protected status and that scared many in the Church. IDK why as I read the law those protections should be for every human being.

As to the above mentioned, they think someone will tale their Bible away or something if the preach the immorality of homosexuality, go figure.

If they are teaching the old Leviticus code then by all means take the Bible and throw them in a dark place to talk to themselves for a while.

I am sure no one will take away their right to be Christian just because homosexuals are allowed rights too. I, like you, think it is a baseless fear. Fear can cause us to do many things that are hateful, that we wouldn't ordinarily do. We must watch that our fears to not slide out of control and cause more problems.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Billions of people believe in the God of Abraham! How is that for evidence? Billoins of people believe something, science is still rolling along and yet we believe. Billions of individual testimonies is more than science has books.

That one.

You didn't really answer the question. You've given your God a label, but you haven't told me any of its attributes.

Let me put it this way: say I came up to you and told you that I'm the God of Abraham. What is it about me that would indicate to you that I wasn't telling the truth? What does God have that I don't?

How do you tell God apart from all the other things that aren't God?

 

[Myers]

What does God have that I don't?

Omnipotence and a long, white beard.

 

[Big_TJ]

Leprechauns can be disproven:

- leprechauns are defined (in part) as creatures that live at the ends of rainbows.
- rainbows have no end; they're demonstrably circular.
- therefore, no creatures live at the ends of rainbows.
- therefore, one part of the definition of "leprechaun" is impossible.
- therefore, leprechauns do not exist.

Your argument does not match your conclusion. The argument that you put forward simply mean that "Leprechauns does not live at the end of the rainbow" not that "leprecauns does not exist." With your argument, leprechauns MAY exist; just that they do not live at the end of rainbows.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Your argument does not match your conclusion. The argument that you put forward simply mean that "Leprechauns does not live at the end of the rainbow" not that "leprecauns does not exist." With your argument, leprechauns MAY exist; just that they do not live at the end of rainbows.

Well, no, because at the beginning, I stated that "living at the end of rainbows" was part of the definition of "leprechaun".

I agree that I haven't excluded the possibility of tiny, magical stereotypical Irishmen who hoard gold living somewhere else. What I've done is argued that if such creatures exist, they aren't "leprechauns" by the established definition.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Shoe is on the other foot: Prove there is not God.
Well prove it.

the God of Abraham

Prove the First Cause of Deism does not exist.

Can't?

Well there ya go.....

All God concepts are equally valid and invalid.

 

[Archer]

You didn't really answer the question. You've given your God a label, but you haven't told me any of its attributes.

Let me put it this way: say I came up to you and told you that I'm the God of Abraham. What is it about me that would indicate to you that I wasn't telling the truth? What does God have that I don't?

How do you tell God apart from all the other things that aren't God?

That is all the evidence I really need.

Okay, how do you explain the unexplainable. A young man affiliated with my Church was pronounced brain dead 100% chance of no recovery. He woke a week later, asked for a drink.

Things like this and things even more miraculous happen every day. Precious science can explain none of it, things that should not be are. Many deny, none can explain and some of us accept the power of God.

 

[JMorris]

Prove the First Cause of Deism does not exist.

Can't?

Well there ya go.....

All God concepts are equally valid and invalid.

except for Jeff the God of Biscuits, that one is just silly

 

[Archer]

Well, no, because at the beginning, I stated that "living at the end of rainbows" was part of the definition of "leprechaun".

I agree that I haven't excluded the possibility of tiny, magical stereotypical Irishmen who hoard gold living somewhere else. What I've done is argued that if such creatures exist, they aren't "leprechauns" by the established definition.

I have met some of them, the little Bas*****.