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The Problem With Missionaries

Smoke

Done here.
The recent scandal of three Mormon missionaries being revealed as having vandalized and desecrated a Catholic shrine has brought a lot of issues to the fore.

I'm not going to pretend that before this incident I really approved of the idea of missionaries. I think proselytizing missions are worse than useless; they're actively destructive. However, I've always had a generally favorable impression of Mormon missionaries as individuals. What's not to like about a bunch of clean cut, earnest young people, who -- whatever I may think about their mission -- at least believe they're trying to do something good?

What has shattered that favorable impression isn't the actions of these three young men in Colorado -- young men who have still not been publicly identified and have still not come forward to take responsibility for their actions, except for one who has not even had the courage or honesty to sign his "apology" with his full name. You can count on there being a few bad apples in any group of tens of thousands of young people. The reason I don't think I'll ever look at any Mormon missionaries the same way isn't this one deplorable incident, but the reactions to it.

The reaction of many Mormons, including several here on RF, has been commendable. The reaction of many other Mormons, though, has made a couple of things clear that really are shocking. One thing I've learned is that this is not an isolated incident. Apparently, stupid mockery of other religions and their sacred sites is remarkably common among missionaries. These three were just stupid enough to get caught -- so stupid, in fact, that they actually posted compromising photos of themselves on the internet. Another thing I've learned is that large numbers of Mormons don't think this incident and the apparently countless other incidents just like it are any big deal.

This is not a problem with three individuals. It's a problem with Mormonism -- and more than that, it's a problem with English-speaking Christianity generally. This particular incident involved Mormons, but the missionaries could just as easily have been Evangelicals, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Seventh-Day Adventists, or Pentecostals. The Christian world is overrun with the adherents of 19th- and 20th-century sects who have no understanding of, and no respect for, Christian history or the Christians who belong to the historic churches, much less the adherents of non-Christian religions. Fervently believing that they have the key to "true" Christianity, they see Catholic, Orthodox, and Apostolic Christians not as brothers in Christ, or even as neighbors who ought to be respected, but as a mission field, a new land to be conquered in the name of their own novel visions of Christ.

When the Communist governments of Eastern Europe fell, these zealots came swarming in like a plague of flies, not to help the Christians of Eastern Europe -- Christians who had been persecuted for generations -- to rebuild their shattered communities, but to take advantage of their weakness, to break their bones and suck at the marrow. Christian missionaries have been every bit as vicious in their own way, and every bit as much of a curse for those formerly persecuted churches, as the Communists ever were.

In the Muslim world, missionaries thoughtlessly aggravate religious tensions and further endanger the already imperiled Christian minorities there. Yesterday's Taipei Times reported on the problems caused in Jordan by Christian missionaries, and quotes a Jordanian Christian columnist, Fahd Kheitan, as saying:
The [missionaries] target the strong beliefs of traditional churches in Jordan and try to create religious links with the Zionist movement, which is extremely dangerous
The story also quotes Odeh Kawwas, a Greek Orthodox Christian who is a former member of the Jordanian Parliament, as saying:
For years we have been urging the government to close such Christian shops that have nothing to do with Christianity and tolerance... It is an old problem. They create sensitivities and provoke discord among Jordanian Christians, not to mention their threat to Muslim-Christian coexistence. These groups don't belong to any church, but they try to hunt followers of other churches and trick some of our Muslim brothers to convert them.
By now, it shouldn't surprise anybody to learn that, as Kheitan says, the US has put pressure on its allies in Amman to allow missionaries into the country, where he says these groups have used their relations with some officials to "build a base."

A story on IslamOnline.net explains further:
Kheitan regretted that the Jordanian government has dragged its feet for long under pressures from the Bush administration.
"But the kingdom has realized now that the situation threatens the internal front."
Last month, the White House voiced concern about the expulsion of the foreign evangelicals.
Press Secretary Dana Perino said President George W. Bush believes missionaries in Jordan should be able to work freely.
Of course. It shouldn't surprise anybody to learn that the most stupid and reckless administration in American history gives the concerns of Evangelical missionaries higher priority than our national interest or the safety of the ancient Christian communities of the Middle East.

So what can be done to fix the situation? Should missionaries have training in cultural sensitivity? Should they be educated on the political realities of their mission fields? Should they learn to understand more about the religions and churches they hope to undermine, so that they can at least pretend to be respectful? Good luck.

The thing is, you can't fix this. Proselytizing missions are inherently disrespectful, and proselytizing missionaries are aggressive by definition.

Take any group of very young men, men who are -- all too obviously -- still adolescents emotionally, and tell them that they are priests and elders in God's One, True Church, that all other religions are false and all other churches are apostate, that their church and their church alone is pleasing to God, that their particular religious beliefs have an eternal importance that supersedes any other concern, and that the most important thing they can possibly do is to go out and tell the adherents of other religions and other churches that they must turn away from their present religions and churches and embrace the One, True Church. You can't reasonably expect that a significant number of those young men won't behave just like the three in Colorado.

Proselytizing missionaries, Mormon and otherwise, will always be aggressive, insensitive, arrogant clods, because that is what their mission requires them to be. Not all of them will be as stupid or as egregiously offensive as these three, or the two went to prison for six months in Thailand in 1972 when they had photos developed of themselves mocking a statue of the Buddha in an ancient temple, but for every missionary who gets caught like these, there are countless missionaries -- Mormon and non-Mormon alike -- who indulge themselves in the same adolescent games and, more importantly, are guided by a deep and abiding disrespect for anyone who doesn't share their own peculiar beliefs.

At the heart of the problem is the exclusionary character of Abrahamic religion, which insists on dividing the world into the Chosen People and the Gentiles, the Saved and the Unsaved, the House of Islam and the House of War, and -- with the exception of Judaism -- teaches that it's a matter of great importance for everybody to believe as you believe, to follow your scriptures and your teachers and belong to your particular brand of religion.

If you want to fix the problem with missionaries, you first have to fix the problem with the religions and churches than send them out. I don't think you can do it. The problem -- the exclusionary character, the dogmatism, the sheer overweening arrogance -- is too deeply embedded in those religions and churches themselves.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
The recent scandal of three Mormon missionaries being revealed as having vandalized and desecrated a Catholic shrine has brought a lot of issues to the fore.

The behavior of these Mormon missionaries is not typical, nor is it excusable. I served a mission and I've been around a lot of missionaries. I remember when I was in the Language Training Mission in 1977, church leaders specifically citing the Thailand incident as an example of how not to behave as a missionary. Unfortunately, some missionaries do not get the message. I believe this deeply concerns church leaders and they try, usually wih success, to teach respect for all faiths.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
If you want to fix the problem with missionaries, you first have to fix the problem with the religions and churches than send them out. I don't think you can do it. The problem -- the exclusionary character, the dogmatism, the sheer overweening arrogance -- is too deeply embedded in those religions and churches themselves.


Unfortunately, your conclusion is most likely warranted.
 

Sola'lor

LDSUJC
I kmnow I've said some things that may have lead you to this conclusion. Unfortunatly I might not have worded myself correctly. If I was and you have any specific concerns regarding anything I said feel free to address them. I went through all my mission pictures and I found very few that could be considered disrespectful. And out of those that could be considered disrespectful none were towards any other churches and a couple were toward our own church. Out of those couple were one with me scaling the walls in the MTC. Another was my copmanion peeing in a garbage can behind one of our churches.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Evangelical religions are inherently dangerous. MOre cultures have been destroyed by mission work than any war. People should not proselytyze their religion.
 

Wandered Off

Sporadic Driveby Member
If you want to fix the problem with missionaries, you first have to fix the problem with the religions and churches than send them out. I don't think you can do it. The problem -- the exclusionary character, the dogmatism, the sheer overweening arrogance -- is too deeply embedded in those religions and churches themselves.
Exactly. The need for missionaries arises precisely because of the exclusiveness claims. I don't think anyone will be able to decouple these.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
How are we supposed to spead the gospel then?
Not sure... though I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of we who you would spread the Gospel to wouldn't have a problem if you decided to stop doing it altogether.

I feel rather conflicted about missionaries and evangelizing.

On the one hand, I think it comes out of a genuine desire to help. I know that if I found a house on fire, I'd do everything I could to get the family inside out, even if they objected to being pulled out into the cold in the middle of the night. I realize that many missionaries consider me to be in just as much peril as the members of that family, and I have a measure of sympathy for the position that they feel they're in.

On the other hand, I think there's a certain level of arrogance inherent in trying to convert a person. There's an underlying message that says to the potential convert that whatever spiritual journey brought him to where he is now, regardless of whatever evidence or foundation he has for his beliefs, he should throw them all away for this new religion because it's intrinsically better and more correct, even though it was basically the same process that led both the proselytizer and the proselytizee to where they each are.

I remember a few months ago as I was on a transit bus, I watched two Mormon missionaries get on and approach each person on the bus in turn. It occurred to me that they must have been absolutely certain that their religion was superior to the religions of every single person on that bus to the point where they viewed those people's beliefs as useless, and had no problem trying to get people to throw them away. This bothered me enough that by the time they got back to me, my temper got the better of me and I was a bit more aggressive than I would normally have like to be - I said to one of them something like, "I don't think it's right for you to be doing this on a public bus" (which gets into another issue I had with what was going on - the missionaries took advantage of a situation where people didn't have the option of just leaving or not dealing with them). I think I said it more angrily than I intended, since he looked rather shocked, immediately backed away, and stayed away from me until I got off.
 

Sola'lor

LDSUJC
In my experience as a missionary I don't think I ever felt it was my responsibility to convert people. I don't believe I can convert people. What I really think my purpose was, was to share the message of the restoration. I wasn't trying to force my beliefs I was just sharing what I believe. If because of what I shared a person wish to join our church that's up to them. But my success was not determined by how many people joined the church because of me.

but as far as feeling my beliefs are superior, I'm not sure. I guess you could put it that way. I feel our church possesses the fullness of the truth. And as a member of the church with the fullness of the truth I believe it to be part of my duty to share that with those who don't have the fullness.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
In my experience as a missionary I don't think I ever felt it was my responsibility to convert people. I don't believe I can convert people. What I really think my purpose was, was to share the message of the restoration. I wasn't trying to force my beliefs I was just sharing what I believe. If because of what I shared a person wish to join our church that's up to them. But my success was not determined by how many people joined the church because of me.

but as far as feeling my beliefs are superior, I'm not sure. I guess you could put it that way. I feel our church possesses the fullness of the truth. And as a member of the church with the fullness of the truth I believe it to be part of my duty to share that with those who don't have the fullness.

And that is what is dangerous.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
In my experience as a missionary I don't think I ever felt it was my responsibility to convert people. I don't believe I can convert people. What I really think my purpose was, was to share the message of the restoration. I wasn't trying to force my beliefs I was just sharing what I believe. If because of what I shared a person wish to join our church that's up to them. But my success was not determined by how many people joined the church because of me.
But if you truly believe that you're spreading God's word, why would God need you specifically or any other mortal human to get His word to the rest of humanity? Isn't God capable of doing this on His own?

but as far as feeling my beliefs are superior, I'm not sure. I guess you could put it that way. I feel our church possesses the fullness of the truth. And as a member of the church with the fullness of the truth I believe it to be part of my duty to share that with those who don't have the fullness.
I feel that a number of religions are incorrect and engage in activities that are harmful to society and individuals. Should I consider it my duty to spread the message to these people that they're wasting their lives on a hollow fiction? Should I go door-to-door like these guys?
 

Sola'lor

LDSUJC
But if you truly believe that you're spreading God's word, why would God need you specifically or any other mortal human to get His word to the rest of humanity? Isn't God capable of doing this on His own?

What better way of spreading a message for humanity than using humans? I don't believe God will go around to every house and sit them down in their living room and tell them of His plan. I believe God reveals His message to us through prophets. those prophets tell us God's message. Since not everyone is a prophet the only other way really is for us humans to share is amongst our selves.

I feel that a number of religions are incorrect and engage in activities that are harmful to society and individuals. Should I consider it my duty to spread the message to these people that they're wasting their lives on a hollow fiction? Should I go door-to-door like these guys?

If you feel it's your duty to go around door to door and spread your message I have no problem with that.

That video was pretty funny.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
Midnight, your analysis leaves out a crucial fact: The LDS Church did apologize. As you said, there are bad apples in every religion. Judging the whole from these few is a form of stereotyping. I think you'll agree I was one of the Mormons who was most outspoken against the fools in Colorado. However, I will just as vehemently defend the good ones.

Our late prophet, President Hinckley, said we offer something we think will make bad people good and good people better. If it's not for them, so be it. He emphasized that we should be respectful of others beliefs. How is this destructive? I believe he was bringing forth a new era of tolerance within the church.
 
What better way of spreading a message for humanity than using humans? I don't believe God will go around to every house and sit them down in their living room and tell them of His plan. I believe God reveals His message to us through prophets. those prophets tell us God's message. Since not everyone is a prophet the only other way really is for us humans to share is amongst our selves.

A God would not have any need of using written records or humans for that matter to communciate his message. All that he would need to use to communicate with humans would be telepathy. He could give consistent telepathic messages to everyone in the world regarding everything that he wanted people to know. Written records and the varying interpretations of those records needlessly invite disputes regarding authorship, interpolations, lying, and innocent but inaccurate revelations, sometimes even among Christians.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
A God would not have any need of using written records or humans for that matter to communciate his message. All that he would need to use to communicate with humans would be telepathy. He could give consistent telepathic messages to everyone in the world regarding everything that he wanted people to know. Written records and the varying interpretations of those records needlessly invite disputes regarding authorship, interpolations, lying, and innocent but inaccurate revelations, sometimes even among Christians.

I'm pretty sure God can use any method he wants. Then, the written or spoken word can be confirmed by the Spirit (your telepathy).
 
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