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When did/do you get saved?

Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
GROW in grace the bible says. There is no way that you can plant yourself in it, so salvation is of god, sustaind by god, and is compeleted by god. So that no man can take credit for it. No man can boast before god. If you have been planted in grace, you will grow in grace, produce the fruit necessary and that without trying. Does a tree think 'i need to grow'? It just does. The soil is important. That is gods great work. PLANTING us in grace. And then he continuously prunes and keeps us in order. Such a work of salvation is what the bible says is a yoke that is easy and light.

Come to me all ye that are heavy laden and i shall give you rest. Take my yoke upon you jesus says. His yoke is easy. When you are planted in grace, growing up in the lord is the most natural non-straighning thing to do.

Oh that we be planted in GRACE!

Heneni
 
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Jesus in me
jtartar said:
Heneni,
There are several steps toward salvation. The Holy Scriptures tell us what is required.
Consider John 17:3, which says it means our everlasting life to take in knowledge of the only true God and of the one He sent forth, Jesus Christ.
We must turn around from our old course of life, and put on the new personality from God, Heb 12:2, Eph 4:22-24. After you learn about God, His son and His purposes, you must dedicate yourself to God in prayer, and then Get baptized, Matt 28:19,20, 1Pet 3:20,21. You must have faith in the Ransom sacrifice of Jesus, Gal 2:16, Acts 13:38,39, Heb 10:28,29.
Then you must live a life that is acceptable to God, Heb 13:18, 2Cor 13:5. It is only the ones who are faithful to death that have salvation, Matt 10:22, 24:13.
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Although there may be many things leading up to salvation and following it, those things do not save in themselves. A person is saved by putting his faith in God's saving grace. It is up to the Paraclete to produce prayer and bible reading and baptism and to faithfully save the person until the end. The only requirement for the individual is for him to remain islamic (submissive to the Paraclete).
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
Dunemeister said:
1 Peter 3 says we're saved through the waters of baptism...
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I pet 3:21 ¶ which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ;

In essence Peter is saying that the water won't save you. You can be baptised until your skin gets wrinkled but it won't save you. Peter tell s you where it's at: if you have a saved conscience (already having occurred before baptism) then baptism puts your faith through the inquisition. I am glad my faith was tested by water and not fire or the wrack though to tell the truth.
 
12jtartar

12jtartar

Active Member
Premium Member
Heneni said:
There is the premise that somebody gets saved when they say the sinners prayer. Do you believe that is when you are saved?

If not...why not
If yes...why yes.

Heneni
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Heneni,
First, you MUST NOT believe as many do, that once you are saved, you are always saved. Paul, who wrote 14 of the Books of the Greek Scriptures, was very careful that he would not do anything to disqualify him, after all he went through, to teach Christianity to both Jews and Gentiles, 2Corinthians 11:22-31, 1Corinthians 9:22-27.
Jesus said that we MUST endure until the end to be saved, Matthew 10:22, 24:13.
Jesus told his disciples to get on the straight and narrow road leading to life, which few find, Matthew 7:13,14. When you step on that road, you, if anything were to happen to you, would be viewed as enduring to the end. If yo keep living and traveling on that road, there are many things you must do. You must be coma a footstep follower of Jesus, 1Peter 2:21, you must get Baptized into the ONE truth faith, mentioned at Ephesians 4:3-6. You cannot be partaking of the table of God, Jehovah, and the table of demons, which is having a part in false religion, 1Corinthians 10:20-22. You must try to be honest in all that you do, Hebrews 13:18. We must get thr truth of God's word into our heart, and then teach others what you have learned, Matthew 28:19,20, 1Corinthians 9:16,17, 2Timothy 2:1-7, 4:2-5. This is the whole meaning of Christianity!!! 1Timothy 4:16, James 1:22-27.
 
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adamberkey

New Member
Heneni said:
Do you believe that is when you are saved?
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When Adam partook of the fruit and God placed an angel to block the way to the Tree of Life, "lest Adam partake of the fruit thereof and live forever in his sins," Adam truly became his own agent. He was truly independent having fallen from the presence of God. He was accountable to his own sin in the flesh, as long as he stayed alive. At death, his spirit was going to be separated from his body forever, and being cut off from the glories of heaven he would be forever consigned to a state of death, agony, and endless woe.

The singular act of resurrection of Jesus overcame both physical death as well as enabling mankind to once again account for his sins in the flesh. It was solely the resurrection of Christ that SAVED all mankind from death and hell. This is truly what the "good news" is: That Christ did the will of the Father and saved us all from death and hell.

"Getting saved" is a false notion. Nothing that man can do affects the effects of the Fall of Adam. It is impossible for man to save himself in any degree from death and hell. The grace of God was the only thing that could reverse the effects of the Fall of Adam. (Romans 5:18) "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

Salvation is a FREE GIFT to all mankind, just as sin and death came upon mankind through the transgression of one (Adam) so also the free gift of salvation came upon all men by one (Jesus).

THEREFORE, we are all saved already, for Jesus did all that the Father sent him to do, and before dying on the cross he declared "It is finished!"

But Being saved from death and hell does not prepare us for the glories of the Father. It only restores to us a place in heaven for the Eternities, be it Telestial with its many degrees as numerous as the stars in the heavens, or Terrestrial, or Celestial.

Jesus Christ is "the way" to the Father not because he saved us but also because his plan, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is the only authorized plan acceptable by the Father. Only through his ordinances, priesthood authority, and principles can we do all things, by our own power and agency, to enter into a covenant relationship with the Father that Adam and Eve both enjoyed with the Father before the Fall.

Lastly, by the keys which Elijah possessed and returned to Earth, mankind is enabled to be sealed back into the family of the Father. Were it not for the return of Elijah before the Lord's 2nd coming, the whole Earth would have been utterly wasted and smitten with a curse at His return. Even after all the saving and covenant work accomplished through Christ, the final ingredient is the sealing power which Elijah held the keys to, which bound all things perfomed in the flesh to the heavens.

So you see, being saved is not only greatly misunderstood of itself, but is only one of a great many other things necessary for the Fullness of the "Salvation" of man.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
adamberkey said:
When Adam partook of the fruit and God placed an angel to block the way to the Tree of Life, "lest Adam partake of the fruit thereof and live forever in his sins," Adam truly became his own agent. He was truly independent having fallen from the presence of God. He was accountable to his own sin in the flesh, as long as he stayed alive. At death, his spirit was going to be separated from his body forever, and being cut off from the glories of heaven he would be forever consigned to a state of death, agony, and endless woe.

The singular act of resurrection of Jesus overcame both physical death as well as enabling mankind to once again account for his sins in the flesh. It was solely the resurrection of Christ that SAVED all mankind from death and hell. This is truly what the "good news" is: That Christ did the will of the Father and saved us all from death and hell.

"Getting saved" is a false notion. Nothing that man can do affects the effects of the Fall of Adam. It is impossible for man to save himself in any degree from death and hell. The grace of God was the only thing that could reverse the effects of the Fall of Adam. (Romans 5:18) "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

Salvation is a FREE GIFT to all mankind, just as sin and death came upon mankind through the transgression of one (Adam) so also the free gift of salvation came upon all men by one (Jesus).

THEREFORE, we are all saved already, for Jesus did all that the Father sent him to do, and before dying on the cross he declared "It is finished!"

But Being saved from death and hell does not prepare us for the glories of the Father. It only restores to us a place in heaven for the Eternities, be it Telestial with its many degrees as numerous as the stars in the heavens, or Terrestrial, or Celestial.

Jesus Christ is "the way" to the Father not because he saved us but also because his plan, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is the only authorized plan acceptable by the Father. Only through his ordinances, priesthood authority, and principles can we do all things, by our own power and agency, to enter into a covenant relationship with the Father that Adam and Eve both enjoyed with the Father before the Fall.

Lastly, by the keys which Elijah possessed and returned to Earth, mankind is enabled to be sealed back into the family of the Father. Were it not for the return of Elijah before the Lord's 2nd coming, the whole Earth would have been utterly wasted and smitten with a curse at His return. Even after all the saving and covenant work accomplished through Christ, the final ingredient is the sealing power which Elijah held the keys to, which bound all things perfomed in the flesh to the heavens.

So you see, being saved is not only greatly misunderstood of itself, but is only one of a great many other things necessary for the Fullness of the "Salvation" of man.
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I believe a gift has to be received. Those who do not receive that grace do not have it.
 
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adamberkey

New Member
When I give a free gift there are no conditions. The person is free to take it or not. In the case of the free gift Christ gave us through his resurrection, those who didn't want it the free gift of salvation through Christ fought with Lucifer in the war in heaven and were kicked out of heaven. Everybody else already accepted the plan to be resurrected and subsequently accountable for their own sins in the flesh.

All souls who live in mortality have already "accepted" salvation and have received it.
 
Subhankar Zac

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
One is saved from suffering, dissatisfaction and illusion those who keep their mind under control.
Other kinds of 'savings' sounds silly to me.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Heneni said:
There is the premise that somebody gets saved when they say the sinners prayer. Do you believe that is when you are saved?

If not...why not
If yes...why yes.

Heneni
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Dear Heni,
"The one who endures to the end, it is he who shall be saved" (Mt 24:13). Now you ask when is the end, it is the "awesome day of the Lord comes" (Joel 2:31), when there will be "survivors", those who "escape". (Joel 2:32)
 
moorea944

moorea944

Well-Known Member
Good questions and so many questions. The age old question. How can we be saved? And what does that really mean?

Are we saved out of something? Are we saved into something? Are we saved by putting us aside for something better? Can we lose our salvation? And what are the terms of salvation? Is it just "belief" and i'm saved like most "mainstream" religions think?

Christian teachers and leaders often tell us that God requires little from us and offers us everything. Everything for nothing is hard to pass up and pleasant to believe. Unfortunetly, it is also a self-accommodation delusion!

In fact, our Creator makes it clear what He requirs from those who choose to serve Him and who may qualify to receive the gift of immortality and entry into His heavenly kingdom.

Romans 10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

What this does not say is, thou "only' confess with the mouth. People read Paul's words as if one "only" has to confess or believe and then they automatically qualify for unconditional salvation.

So what are the Terms of Salvation?

1. Proven Faith Saves.
Rev 22 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." James even says that without works, your faith is dead!!
Romans 2v6, 2 Cor 5v10, Math 5v20, Math 16v27

2. Truth Saves
It definitely matters what you believe! Our Salvation depends on knowing the true Gospel.
1 Cor 15v1-2 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."

Why is that word "if" in there if we believe that we are already saved?

John 4v22-24, Eph 4v4-6, Romans 10v1-2, Gal 1v6-9, 1 Tim 1v3-4, 2 Thes 2v9-12

3. Baptism Saves
Water baptism, practiced with full understanding of basic divine truth is one of the basic divine terms of Salvation.

Mark 16 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
1 Peter 3v20-21, Titus 3v5, Romans 8v24-25, Phil 3v11-14

4. Fear Saves
We are saved by fear. Fear could never be a component of instant, guaranteed salvation. If we possessed salvation that even God couldnt take it away, then we cannot fear divine rejection.

Phil 2v12, Math 10v28, 1 John 4v17-18

5. Endurance Saves
Jesus tells us we have to continue to the very end in order to be saved.

Math 10v22, 24v12, Mark 13v13, Hebrews 3v6,14

We are never free to presume a guaranteed, eternal salvation and inclusion in the kingdom of God. We are allowd to presume our "qualification" for salvation and enjoy a hopeful confidence, but never an automatic nod into God's eternal kingdom.

The "process" of salvation requires qualification before grace is applied. In order to qualify for salvation:

* One must understand, believe and maintain the true gospel
* One must be water-baptized in response tothat belief
* One must exhibit deeds reflecting that understanding and belief, depite harassment. Our behavior must match our intentions, exhibiting our Heavnely Father's righteousness in our thoughts and words and deeds.
* One must be subject to hope and fear
* One must continue in that truth and good deeds while they still have life.

We can and must earn "qualification" for salvation. We certainly cannot earn salvation!! This must be awarded on the basis of grace.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
cataway said:
saved from death would be the best answer
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We can be saved ( rescued/ delivered ) from death via a resurrection - Romans 6:7; Revelation 1:18
Or, we can be saved ( rescued / delivered ) from death at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33
Those whom Jesus places at his right hand of favor, so to speak, - Matthew 25:37 - can remain alive on Earth through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 and continue living on Earth right into the start of Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth with the opportunity to live forever on Earth in perfect health.
Enemy death will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8 and No one will say, " I am sick....." - Isaiah 33:24
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Heneni said:
There is the premise that somebody gets saved when they say the sinners prayer. Do you believe that is when you are saved?
Heneni
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Jesus taught the one who endures to the end is saved - Matthew 24:13
So, we need to repent and endure to either the end of one's life - 2 Peter 3:9
Or, endure to the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33
So, before the start of Day One of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth, the haughty ' goats ' will be gone forever - Psalms 92:7
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16 - so the humble meek can inherit the Earth.
- Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:10-11, 29.
 
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