Murder.
All humans must kill other living beings to live. Obligate heterotrophs.
All humans must kill other living beings to live. Obligate heterotrophs.
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What was the first sin ever committed ?
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Tinkerpeach
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A transgression against divine law in the eyes of God.
Apparently so.
What constitutes "divine law"? According to what/whom?
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Speaking from the perspective of the OP's religion and the Bible.
Let me begin by stating that according to the Bible, God is infinite power (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), infinite knowledge (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), and is present everywhere simultaneously (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). Having established what the Bible claims about God's omni-attributes, I will continue with my viewpoint. In my opinion, God committed the first sin because he created Adam and Eve with the foreknowledge that they would disobey him after he used the serpent to deliberately tempt them with a forbidden fruit. According to the creation story, he not only punished them for their disobedience (which he knew would happen), but he also punished the serpent for doing what he knew it would do; he punished and unjustly cursed the rest of humanity with a sinful nature for the sin of Adam and Eve; and he devised a sinister plan to brutally kill his own son by torturing him and crucifiying him in order to correct his original sin of creating humanity with the foreknowledge that they would become corrupt.
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present, as the Bible claims, then surely he would know better than to create Adam and Eve (and the rest of humanity), knowing that he would later regret creating humanity and repopulate the planet with the same morally flawed humans that he just annihilated in a global flood. According to Genesis 6:6, he regretted creating human beings as well as every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air. Thus, he carried out his plan to annihilate humanity in a global flood, with the exception of devout Noah and his family (Genesis 6:7-8).
In accordance with what the Bible states, it is my opinion that God was morally depraved (sinful, evil, sadistic) to first create Adam and Eve knowing that they would disobey him and that he would punish them for their disobedience; second, he punished and cursed Satan (the serpent), despite using Satan to carry out his nefarious plan to tempt Adam and Eve into disobeying him; third, punish and curse the rest of humanity with a sinful nature because of Adam and Eve's disobedience against him, despite the fact that the rest of humanity had nothing to do with it; and finally, he brutally tortured and killed his own son to "redeem" humanity for behaving exactly the way he knew they would behave before he created Adam and Eve. I think that is truly evil (Isaiah 45:7).
Let me begin by stating that according to the Bible, God is infinite power (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), infinite knowledge (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), and is present everywhere simultaneously (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). Having established what the Bible claims about God's omni-attributes, I will continue with my viewpoint. In my opinion, God committed the first sin because he created Adam and Eve with the foreknowledge that they would disobey him after he used the serpent to deliberately tempt them with a forbidden fruit. According to the creation story, he not only punished them for their disobedience (which he knew would happen), but he also punished the serpent for doing what he knew it would do; he punished and unjustly cursed the rest of humanity with a sinful nature for the sin of Adam and Eve; and he devised a sinister plan to brutally kill his own son by torturing him and crucifiying him in order to correct his original sin of creating humanity with the foreknowledge that they would become corrupt.
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present, as the Bible claims, then surely he would know better than to create Adam and Eve (and the rest of humanity), knowing that he would later regret creating humanity and repopulate the planet with the same morally flawed humans that he just annihilated in a global flood. According to Genesis 6:6, he regretted creating human beings as well as every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air. Thus, he carried out his plan to annihilate humanity in a global flood, with the exception of devout Noah and his family (Genesis 6:7-8).
In accordance with what the Bible states, it is my opinion that God was morally depraved (sinful, evil, sadistic) to first create Adam and Eve knowing that they would disobey him and that he would punish them for their disobedience; second, he punished and cursed Satan (the serpent), despite using Satan to carry out his nefarious plan to tempt Adam and Eve into disobeying him; third, punish and curse the rest of humanity with a sinful nature because of Adam and Eve's disobedience against him, despite the fact that the rest of humanity had nothing to do with it; and finally, he brutally tortured and killed his own son to "redeem" humanity for behaving exactly the way he knew they would behave before he created Adam and Eve. I think that is truly evil (Isaiah 45:7).
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The invention of sin.
I have to wonder why God is immune from sin when he created evil and Satan to deceive A&E. A&E didn't have the cognitive tools to understand that they were being deceived, and God knew this. To my mind A&E didn't commit a sin, or even a mistake. It was a set up that they were taken advantage of, and God knew it from the start.
If that's how sin is defined, then there is no sin. IMO.
No one really knows as historical records for humanity only go back a few thousand years. I do like the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden along with other stories in Genesis. Although I don't take the stories literally they help us understand the our relationship to God.
Heyo
Veteran Member
With that definition, I'd like to expand on my answer: not only was disobedience the first sin, it is the only sin. Everything else can be subsumed under it.
... and then interpreted by fallible men who claim to represent God in His absense.
Of course if we are answering what the first sin was, a trangression of divine law has to be a deliberate act, not some act that was coerced. If divine law is to have any credibility it has to apply to the lawgiver as well. So could the first sin be on God? I suggest it is.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
What was the first sin ever committed ?
1) Who dares to pretend to know what God thinks? You must have asked God to know for sure2) Who dares to impose on God that God is judgmental? God judging God's creation, humans, to be sinners. What does that make God ... a sinner too, I guess?
Pretending to know God that well, knowing God's mind and thoughts, seems blasphemy to me.
Reading books (Bible or other Scriptures) is just what it is, bookish knowledge, definitely insufficient to answer questions like "how God thinks".
This pretentious claiming "I know God's mind" blows my mind
Google gave on sin:
1) An immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
2) "a sin in the eyes of God"
I think the first sin was when Adam and Eve rejected God.
What divine law? Which god?
Just look at the God of the bible, for example. [He] orders massacres of surrendered populations, mass rape of virgins, human sacrifice to [him], rules for slavery, subjugation of women, murderous religious intolerance, and more.
For instance, given an omnipotent, benevolent god, why on earth was Jesus sent on a suicide mission with the aim of dying horribly? What was it meant to achieve? How could it possibly be necessary? How could it possibly be so inefficient that it's taken thousands of years for Christianity to be known around the world, as simply one of the world's religions, associated with colonial exploitation and compulsory conversions? The cruelty of the central idea is as morbid as the performance in the field is savage.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Well said, in my opinion. I agree with you, and I agree with Richard Dawkins when he stated, "The god of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." Do you agree or disagree with Dawkins?
In most of mythology it's Lying.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
More ingratitude -- which leads to a multitude of related "sins."
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I "thought" I had heard them all. LOL
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Why did the god create serpents?