PoetPhilosopher
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If you talk to religious people on forums, many on each forum, have had a spiritual experience, whether involving ghosts, angels or the divine. Even I have.
I try to use abductive reasoning to make the case for a universe ran by intelligence:
This can be done by taking all of the spiritual experiences you have heard from believers, and drawing a plausible case from it.
The alternative argument is to say that they all lied, or were crazy, or were too imaginative.
Think science doesn't use abductive reasoning? Think again:
And for those who say abductive reasoning isn't quite strong enough... it's the process at which jurors seem to typically decide a case in court.
Granted, science may be used in the courtroom in the form of for example, DNA. But the jury doesn't necessarily have intimate knowledge of it, just what they are told. Abductive reasoning decides court cases.
And my theories also seem to be compatible with the approach to Critical Thinking... aren't they?
So let's hear the thought processes to say everyone who has a spiritual experience, doesn't know what they are talking about!
At the very least, I believe so far I've established the spiritual side as valid, though not yet proven something.
Objection number 1: All people have different experiences. Christians will have spiritual experiences about Jesus. Catholics about Mary. And so on and so forth.
Answer: This inconsistency leads to the possible theory there are not one paranormal intelligence, but many. Such a view, I find, is compatible with polytheism.
Polytheism tends to make more sense as part of looking at the universe. If there was one single power, it still doesn't explain why it, being so very powerful, doesn't intervene to stop madness and cruelty.
Yet, this is a naive view too. Hinduism has many stories trying to explain the universe. It's a lot to read. But they are all interesting theories. Here is one from my belief, Kashmir Shaivism:
Kashmir Shaivism - Wikipedia
Not your average Sunday school lesson, is it?
So you may be an atheist. But can you tell me with a straight face how these ideas are wrong, how you take the position that none of this can be correct?
However, I'll be fair - atheism tackles the question of whether gods exist. Not whether religious philosophy is true. And I see there as being a 50/50 chance a god or gods are responsible for divine influence regarding the Big Bang. Since as it is, it's somewhat impossible to know - I argue we have to then look at the other facts to draw a conclusion. And I look forward to exploring that with you further.
If you talk to religious people on forums, many on each forum, have had a spiritual experience, whether involving ghosts, angels or the divine. Even I have.
I try to use abductive reasoning to make the case for a universe ran by intelligence:
This can be done by taking all of the spiritual experiences you have heard from believers, and drawing a plausible case from it.
The alternative argument is to say that they all lied, or were crazy, or were too imaginative.
Think science doesn't use abductive reasoning? Think again:
And for those who say abductive reasoning isn't quite strong enough... it's the process at which jurors seem to typically decide a case in court.
Granted, science may be used in the courtroom in the form of for example, DNA. But the jury doesn't necessarily have intimate knowledge of it, just what they are told. Abductive reasoning decides court cases.
And my theories also seem to be compatible with the approach to Critical Thinking... aren't they?
So let's hear the thought processes to say everyone who has a spiritual experience, doesn't know what they are talking about!
At the very least, I believe so far I've established the spiritual side as valid, though not yet proven something.
Objection number 1: All people have different experiences. Christians will have spiritual experiences about Jesus. Catholics about Mary. And so on and so forth.
Answer: This inconsistency leads to the possible theory there are not one paranormal intelligence, but many. Such a view, I find, is compatible with polytheism.
Polytheism tends to make more sense as part of looking at the universe. If there was one single power, it still doesn't explain why it, being so very powerful, doesn't intervene to stop madness and cruelty.
Yet, this is a naive view too. Hinduism has many stories trying to explain the universe. It's a lot to read. But they are all interesting theories. Here is one from my belief, Kashmir Shaivism:
Kashmir Shaivism - Wikipedia
Not your average Sunday school lesson, is it?
So you may be an atheist. But can you tell me with a straight face how these ideas are wrong, how you take the position that none of this can be correct?
However, I'll be fair - atheism tackles the question of whether gods exist. Not whether religious philosophy is true. And I see there as being a 50/50 chance a god or gods are responsible for divine influence regarding the Big Bang. Since as it is, it's somewhat impossible to know - I argue we have to then look at the other facts to draw a conclusion. And I look forward to exploring that with you further.