Male escorts are making crazy money at the RNC

[YmirGF]

Not much worse than the current cognitive dissonance in the Democratic party. Let's face it, any time you get large groups of folks together uniformity isn't possible. As far as Dan Savage (who supposedly grew up here), he's full of crap. Look, I've been alive for awhile and when I was young there were regular gay bashing going on in Chicago -- that never even happens anymore. The attitude from that time until now is completely changed. Worse? Please. Gay people used to have to literally pretend to be straight and marry women just so they wouldn't be suspect. We're FAR away from that. His commentary doesn't even make any sense. I've seen how LGBT has been treated in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and the 2000+ and it's been steadily improving. At this point, no one even cares if you are gay unless they are gay and want to hook up.

Trump is pro-LGBT enough that he felt sort of troubled by being hemmed in by the Christian right on the marriage issue. Trump agreed to support the party platform when he took the nomination, but he doesn't write the platform. You can tell he double steps on his words every time he says it -- he doesn't believe it himself. His comments on Orlando reflect it, and moreover all the up and comers are certainly pro-LGBT or LGBT tolerant. The party is in complete transformation on that issue, and regardless of the fact that certain factions have been working for 40 years on that point, now really is the time. Watch Trumps speech yesterday? He came out, supported LGBT, and the whole convention applauded. Why? We're American's first. Plain and simple, every citizen deserves their rights and safety. The paleoconservatives are a dying breed, and they no longer reflect the party significantly.

I really despise people who don't like how something is going down in a party and don't actively take action to improve the situation. Don't like Republican LGBT stance, but like everything else they're about? Join the party and become an activist or shut up. I really hate all the armchair quarterbacks who sit on the sidelines and do nothing to improve the situation.

Personally speaking, Mindmaster, I don't think many in the anti-Republican world understand that there are a large number of gays who are conservatives to boot and are quite comfortable in the arms of conservative ideals. What might also frost their socks is that this new strain of conservatism isn't even especially religious and is pretty luke warm on religiously motivated agendas. The ever-delightful and hysterically vilified Milo Yiannopoulos is a really great example of this.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Personally speaking, Mindmaster, I don't think many in the anti-Republican world understand that there are a large number of gays who are conservatives to boot and are quite comfortable in the arms of conservative ideals. What might also frost their socks is that this new strain of conservatism isn't even especially religious and is pretty luke warm on religiously motivated agendas.

No, we know. They're usually wealthy white men who live in rich people's la-la land who don't really care about anything but getting tax cuts. A fair amount of them are self-haters, too. Caitlyn Jenner is a trans version of that. They live in their own gated community world.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, we know. They're usually wealthy white men who live in rich people's la-la land who don't really care about anything but getting tax cuts. A fair amount of them are self-haters, too. Caitlyn Jenner is a trans version of that. They live in their own gated community world.

This post feels like a lot of hatred & stereotyping for those haters.
Too much hate going around.

 

[YmirGF]

No, we know. They're usually wealthy white men who live in rich people's la-la land who don't really care about anything but getting tax cuts. A fair amount of them are self-haters, too. Caitlyn Jenner is a trans version of that. They live in their own gated community world.

I rather expect they are not the only ones living in their heads, dear Frankie. I may be a man. I may be quite comfortable (due to luck and my own efforts, I might add). I may also be a happy resident of LotusLand. I may even have several gates in my fairly large perimeter fencing. I even enjoy the tax cuts that are mine to claim (which aint all that much actually). I can assure you from the depths of my being that I am far from being a "self-hater" and have a fair amount of compassion for my fellow human animals. Reality is not as depicted in the tabloid press or on "reality TV'. The weirdest part of this is that we are not "the enemy". "The enemy" is the new fascism of the liberal left that seeks to shout down all opposition lest any opposing ideas trigger thoughts that are uncomfortable to them and have them running for the artificial security of their safe spaces of isolation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I rather expect they are not the only ones living in their heads, dear Frankie. I may be a man. I may be quite comfortable (due to luck and my own efforts, I might add). I may also be a happy resident of LotusLand. I may even have several gates in my fairly large perimeter fencing. I even enjoy the tax cuts that are mine to claim (which aint all that much actually). I can assure you from the depths of my being that I am far from being a "self-hater" and have a fair amount of compassion for my fellow human animals. Reality is not as depicted in the tabloid press or on "reality TV'. The weirdest part of this is that we are not "the enemy". "The enemy" is the new fascism of the liberal left that seeks to shout down all opposition lest any opposing ideas trigger thoughts that are uncomfortable to them and have them running for the artificial security of their safe spaces of isolation.

You also live in Canada and the Canadian conservative movement isn't as far to the right as ours is. Not the same thing.

 

[YmirGF]

You also live in Canada and the Canadian conservative movement isn't as far to the right as ours is. Not the same thing.

Likewise, Frankie, you have to learn to separate your jaundiced perception from the reality. My view is that @Mindmaster is right on the money about his paleoconservative comment. We know we will never change the old views. It's a waiting game. Eventually many of the things that upset folks on the liberal left will naturally die off. Eventually you WILL see a move away from the religious oriented rhetoric. It is inevitable and that is likely why the rhetoric has hit a feverish pitch as those behind such rhetoric understand, clearly, that their days are numbered.

I repeat:

The weirdest part of this is that we are not "the enemy". "The enemy" is the new fascism of the liberal left that seeks to shout down all opposition lest any opposing ideas trigger thoughts that are uncomfortable to them and have them running for the artificial security of their safe spaces of isolation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Likewise, Frankie, you have to learn to separate your jaundiced perception from the reality. My view is that @Mindmaster is right on the money about his paleoconservative comment. We know we will never change the old views. It's a waiting game. Eventually many of the things that upset folks on the liberal left will naturally die off. Eventually you WILL see a move away from the religious oriented rhetoric. It is inevitable and that is likely why the rhetoric has hit a feverish pitch as those behind such rhetoric understand, clearly, that their days are numbered.

Uh huh. From what I see on the upswing on the right, you're going to wish that the religious right had remained the dominate force. The GOP has it is now is mutating. There's various competing factions that are squabbling with each other. Too early to see who will emerge victorious or if the party will split. But with the rise of Trump, the party has taken a hard swing towards far-right authoritarian populism. The Trump campaign is mainstreaming and inflaming white racial grievances. Trump has moved the "Overton window" to such an extent that full-blown fascism is becoming more acceptable.

 

[YmirGF]

Uh huh. From what I see on the upswing on the right, you're going to wish that the religious right had remained the dominate force.

Well, to be fair, you are a self-described Communist, so it's unlikely that you would be happy with much in the political world today. You can't be all that much happier with the drivel streaming from the Democratic Parity either which puts you in a very unenviable position politically speaking.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, to be fair, you are a self-described Communist, so it's unlikely that you would be happy with much in the political world today. You can't be all that much happier with the drivel streaming from the Democratic Parity either which puts you in a very unenviable position politically speaking.

I'm an anarcho-communist, to be specific. I hate politics in general. I only vote Democratic for pragmatic reasons. I'd vote Green if it actually counted.

 

[YmirGF]

I'm an anarcho-communist, to be specific. I hate politics in general. I only vote Democratic for pragmatic reasons. I'd vote Green if it actually counted.

Maybe if more people voted for the Greenies, they just might count for something. Sure would send a message to the Dumbs.... errr... sorry, Dems and Pubs. (Dang keyboard... has a mind of its own.)

 

[Father Heathen]

The mere act of hooking up with dudes does not make male politicians "homosexual".

Okay, bisexual, but that still falls beneath "sinful sodomite".

 

[Demonslayer]

This post feels like a lot of hatred & stereotyping for those haters.
Too much hate going around.

I hate this post.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

 

[fantome profane]

It's not gay if they are bi.

Fairnuff. But it is still hypocritical if you spend your days promoting an anti-LGBTQ organisation, and spend your nights getting a little man-man love with a prostitute.

And I believe this hypocritical organisation is opposed to prostitution as well.



(p.s. and if you intend to respond to this post by saying "but the dems are just as bad", don't bother)

 

[fantome profane]

Yea, well, there are plenty of pro-LGBT Republicans, and most of the under 45 crowd is. We're either gonna change their minds, or they're gonna die out of the party naturally.

There is another option, you could just vote them out of office.

 

[Revoltingest]

I hate this post.

So do I.
But then, I'm a shameless hater.

 

[Mindmaster]

There is another option, you could just vote them out of office.

Not exactly the all rosey plan either. It is the breadth of views that makes good laws and governance as most people are victims to their own personal echo chamber. The way to get fairer laws and nicer living is to have as many unique individuals as possible contributing to the system. We are, after all, a product of the sum of our parts. There are still people who represent those fading views living in our country, and it is valuable to understand them so that we are inclusive of them. Remember, that today's ultra-conservative was yesterdays progressive. I tend to view the older outlook somewhat like ballast mass, we need it to keep the ship upright, but if we have too much it sinks, too little it flips.

 

[Mindmaster]

Fairnuff. But it is still hypocritical if you spend your days promoting an anti-LGBTQ organisation, and spend your nights getting a little man-man love with a prostitute.

And I believe this hypocritical organisation is opposed to prostitution as well.

(p.s. and if you intend to respond to this post by saying "but the dems are just as bad", don't bother)

Are you reading anything I've posted previously?

There are plenty of LGBT CONSERVATIVES.

The bulk of Republicans are not currently anti-LGBT.

Using the style of rationale being employed on this forum, since a party can't change:

The Democrats used the KKK as enforcers, pushed Jim Crow laws, so they are racists forever.

The Republican party was specifically formed of northern Democrats against slavery in the south.

They were against women's suffrage and equality, so they hate women too.

It's obvious that I am using hyperbole here to express my point, but this is basically what people here are asking me to accept and it's completely freaking ludicrous. The claim about the Republicans is untrue, exaggerated, and will not be any more right because it is complete and absolute rubbish. Keep repeating it, over and over, and it's still wrong. Parties change.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I believe this hypocritical organisation is opposed to prostitution as well.

I'll bet your left one that it's a minority of Pubs who are boinking the bimbos,
so it would be fallacious to call the whole organization hypocritical.
This same standard should apply to Dems, who also oppose the profession they enjoy.
If I ran the show, I'd legalize it.

 

[Mindmaster]

I'll bet your left one that it's a minority of Pubs who are boinking the bimbos,
so it would be fallacious to call the whole organization hypocritical.
This same standard should apply to Dems, who also oppose the profession they enjoy.
If I ran the show, I'd legalize it.

I agree, it's a victim-less crime in most cases and I think we have larger problems. Mostly, authorities are against prostitution because of the ancillary crimes of drug addiction, exploitation of minors, battery, and pimping. I don't have data on that to either support/deny those claims, but those are the usual arguments. It has nothing to do with morality, in most cases.