That other thread is just plain stupid, let's move on here. Looking at the logical axiom that A is A and can never be non-A we learn something interesting about our own nature and the nature of the world around us. In the other thread it was pointed out that logic is just the way humanity has come to explain these "laws" we've observed, yet our description is still based on something observed seemingly separate from the human mind.
Anyways, I want to look at intelligent design ideas for a second. For one, I certainly have seen no (other) evidence for intelligent design myself, but perhaps I am just overly skeptical. Most of what happens or has happened either can be explained without an external cause needed, or at the very least our modern state of understanding suggests that all unanswered question we still have may have a physical, no-deity-needed explanation.
Logic is seemingly different. There is no apparent physical cause for it, rather it is an unexplainable (and un-debatable) and inherent aspect of the physical universe. If physicality is all there is then there should be a physical cause for duality (which can only exist in from a logical perspective). In fact, even in other species who show no signs of being able to understand logic, these animals are still bound to it and still follow its laws (not that they could do otherwise). The very act of knowing friend from foe relies on a separation between A and non-A.
Whether this argument here really shows anything is easily debatable, but it is certainly worth considering logic as evidence of an outside intelligence (at least to those open to such considerations) due to the fact that it has no physical cause and yet is an inherent aspect of nature. It cannot even be explained the same way as physical laws are described. Logic is a whole different entity entirely.
Why would some outside force want to create a world with duality? That's a whole other topic to get off into.
Anyways, I want to look at intelligent design ideas for a second. For one, I certainly have seen no (other) evidence for intelligent design myself, but perhaps I am just overly skeptical. Most of what happens or has happened either can be explained without an external cause needed, or at the very least our modern state of understanding suggests that all unanswered question we still have may have a physical, no-deity-needed explanation.
Logic is seemingly different. There is no apparent physical cause for it, rather it is an unexplainable (and un-debatable) and inherent aspect of the physical universe. If physicality is all there is then there should be a physical cause for duality (which can only exist in from a logical perspective). In fact, even in other species who show no signs of being able to understand logic, these animals are still bound to it and still follow its laws (not that they could do otherwise). The very act of knowing friend from foe relies on a separation between A and non-A.
Whether this argument here really shows anything is easily debatable, but it is certainly worth considering logic as evidence of an outside intelligence (at least to those open to such considerations) due to the fact that it has no physical cause and yet is an inherent aspect of nature. It cannot even be explained the same way as physical laws are described. Logic is a whole different entity entirely.
Why would some outside force want to create a world with duality? That's a whole other topic to get off into.
