Israel - Gaza - Columbia University

[stvdv]

Please see:

An open letter to the Columbia University Gaza war protesters from a pro-Palestinian activist in Israel​

Thanks.

Thank you for sharing

 

[stvdv]

I read it in its entirety, and I did not get that at all.

Neither did I

I suppose, in part, that's because it's what I've been saying all along. There will never -- ever -- be a solution to this problem that does not begin with "both Jews and Palestinians have the rights to life, liberty and self-determination -- like everybody else."

True IMO

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Eh, some bad optics. But some obvious exaggerations in there. It gives a couple of examples of isolated incidents, then suddenly and rapidly descends into individual students, individual accounts, and things that were just "stated" at the protest that have no reasonable human would assume were threatening or anti-Semitic.


Literally, one person.


How many did that? Got any numbers?

Meanwhile, here's opinions and experiences from Jewish people who are actually part of the protest:

Jewish student protesters say Columbia’s pro-Palestine protests aren’t antisemitic

“There has been this discourse that Columbia is this hotbed of antisemitism, but it’s just a bunch of nerds sitting on the ground praying, chanting and doing homework,” said one student who has been at the college protest camp.

www.independent.co.uk

I'm not saying there isn't bad optics, and some bad actors. What I am saying is that saying that this goes any way towards demonstrating that the entire protest is based on anti-Semitism is clearly and brazenly false.

I never said everyone involved in the protest is antisemitic.

We ought to focus on the actual issue that the protest was clearly intended to highlight: Israel's war crimes in Gaza and American institutions complicity in those acts.

No war crimes just Israel responding to a terrorists organization that wants to kill them all.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

This directly addresses your post, which used the ad
hominem to demonize pro Palestinian demonstrators.

Nope, I gave a link to people that actually said these things.

 

[Revoltingest]

At this point, I have to come down on the side of Netanyahu being a major part of this terrible stalemate, and he is so because his very position depends utterly on the continued support of some very bad hard-liners in the Knesset. He loses their support, he's no longer PM, and the criminal actions against him will proceed.

I blame Netanyahu, but no more then others in
the country. He has his government's support.
The people voted him in. They're unhappy with
him now, but not because of the genocide. It's
the hostage crisis. Palestinians don't matter,
except to be gotten rid of.

And here it is -- Netanyahu has turned down offer after offer, at the behest of this cabal of far-right players, because each and every one of those offers has called for an end to the war itself. Bibi (and cronies) won't accept that. And yet it's the only thing that makes any sense.

And his idea of a cease fire is for Hamas to stop
fighting. He plans to attack Rafa no matter what.

MSN

Biden, in my opinion, must now make the decision that continued support for Israel is not the same thing as continued support for Netanyahu and his right wing.

Biden has already chosen to support genocide.
He's even increasing the military aid for this.
But public pressure might cause him to change
course.....or likely not.

Or he really might lose the election in November. And that would be catastrophic for your own nation.

He's really scrooing the pooch by doubling down
on the wrong side of history. He's Nixon & Johnson's
illegitimate child.

 

[Revoltingest]

More to the point, why are you so focussed in covering for acts of Jew-hatred?

Tis you who try to delegitimize the anti-Israel protesters
by painting all of them with the venom spewed by some.
We don't see you criticize Israelis for chanting "Death to
Arabs!" & wanting Palestinians booted from Gaza.
That is a bigoted & deadly double standard.

 

[We Never Know]

Same for anyone chanting "Death to Arabs!".
Those Israelis are worse.
At least Hamas has a humanitarian wing that
provides food, health care, etc.

So do you think after 9/11 the US should have stopped the war with Iraq after 3000 civilians died and said.."We are even. Lets call it quits"

 

[Revoltingest]

So do you think....

Not worth addressing tripe.

 

[We Never Know]

Not worth addressing tripe.

Its a reasonable question being you are basing your argument(what you think) on the amount of civilians killed.
You call it tripe, I call it a dodge.

 

[Revoltingest]

Its a reasonable question....

No, it's stupid.
If you want to ditch the drama, put some real
thought into a useful question, then we can
talk. Til then, I'll just pat you on the head, &
send you on your way.

 

[We Never Know]

No, it's stupid.
If you want to ditch the drama, put some real
thought into a useful question, then we can
talk. Til then, I'll just pat you on the head, &
send you on your way.

Lol. Your whole arguement has been based on how many civilians have been killed by Israel.
I believe a time or two you pointed out they have killed many more than hamas killed.

"So do you think after 9/11 the US should have stopped the war with Iraq after 3000 civilians died and said.."We are even. Lets call it quits"

I knew you wouldn't answer because it blows your argument apart.

Run along. I've helped build your post count enough today.

 

[Revoltingest]

"So do you think after 9/11 the US should have stopped the war with Iraq after 3000 civilians died and said.."We are even. Lets call it quits"

It's dishonest to attribute a quote of your
own composition to me. That is just one
reason I find your posts unworthy of
addressing as you wish.
Be smarter.
Be honest.
And I will reconsider.

 

[Estro Felino]

I just want to underline that it's a matter of perspectives.
The First Amendment allows me to say that such a video...no matter how it is "made for fun purpose" ....
well...shall I say it's far from the truth?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

‘Hamas, We Love You!’ A List of the Chants, Statements From Columbia University’s ‘Gaza Solidarity Encampment’ - Algemeiner.com

Anti-Israel activists at Columbia University in New York set up a "Gaza Solidarity Encampment" in the middle of campus last week. Protests accompanying the encampment — both on and off campus, including students and others from the surrounding community — have included pro-Hamas and antisemitic...

www.algemeiner.com

Shocking video captures moment protester near Columbia University yells, ‘We’re all Hamas,’ ‘Long live Hamas’

The clip shows a female protester with a keffiyeh covering her head and face loudly banging on NYPD barricades erected near the university’s Morningside Heights campus.

nypost.com

So when they chant we are hamas you interpret that as not sympathizing with terrorists?

Love how they bulked up the list with stuff that isn't pro-Hamas at all.

• People gathered and protested around a “By any means necessary” banner.
• She continued, “Remember that militancy breeds resistance. Thousands upon thousands of students around the world have been moved to rebel because of your militancy.”
• Students chanted “Viva, viva, Palestinia” while tearing down the American flag from a pole, cheering when it hit the ground.

Oh noes! They said something more associated with the Black Panthers. They tore down American flag. That surely means they are pro-Hamas.
All you've done is shown isolated incidents, not the views and trends of the larger group. Reminds me when RWers insisted we can't call the Tea Party racist because of a few bungholes waving overtly racists signs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I never said everyone involved in the protest is antisemitic.

The author of the article in the OP did, as well as assuming the protestors are entirely ignorant of the situation and its history.

 

[Revoltingest]

Love how they bulked up the list with stuff that isn't pro-Hamas at all.

• People gathered and protested around a “By any means necessary” banner.
• She continued, “Remember that militancy breeds resistance. Thousands upon thousands of students around the world have been moved to rebel because of your militancy.”
• Students chanted “Viva, viva, Palestinia” while tearing down the American flag from a pole, cheering when it hit the ground.

Oh noes! They said something more associated with the Black Panthers. They tore down American flag. That surely means they are pro-Hamas.
All you've done is shown isolated incidents, not the views and trends of the larger group. Reminds me when RWers insisted we can't call the Tea Party racist because of a few bungholes waving overtly racists signs.

They latch onto sins of few on the other side
because they can't defend the evil of the many
on their own.
It's diversionary. It's evasive. It's deadly.

 

[Colt]

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

^ that anyone would find the above "brilliant" is very, very sad.

 

[Revoltingest]

View attachment 91176

The risk of posting a cartoon trumpeting a rhetorical
victory lies in the unanticipated counters. Victory gone.
I've been avoiding cartoons about this issue. But now
a couple will be instructive...showing how unproductive
such a tit for tat would be.

A sampling.....

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Love how they bulked up the list with stuff that isn't pro-Hamas at all.

• People gathered and protested around a “By any means necessary” banner.
• She continued, “Remember that militancy breeds resistance. Thousands upon thousands of students around the world have been moved to rebel because of your militancy.”
• Students chanted “Viva, viva, Palestinia” while tearing down the American flag from a pole, cheering when it hit the ground.

Oh noes! They said something more associated with the Black Panthers. They tore down American flag. That surely means they are pro-Hamas.
All you've done is shown isolated incidents, not the views and trends of the larger group. Reminds me when RWers insisted we can't call the Tea Party racist because of a few bungholes waving overtly racists signs.

Nowhere did I say all or most protesters want Israel gone. The fact remains some do. This was an answer to a specific question.