Is Vedic Sanskrit a dead or a near dead language?

[Vinayaka]

One may take it as defining the purpose and guiding to the destination truthfully and correctly. The destination is being one in G-d, achieving nearness to Him. Please
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You need scripture for this?

 

[paarsurrey]

Often, labels come long after their contents. For instance, in Japan there was no word to describe the body of religious beliefs that most Japanese shared. Only after Buddhism took root in the nation was there a need for the term "Shinto" to describe the native religious traditions.

With Hindu it is different. There is a river in Pakistan named Sindh, it is not even in India. The river is also called sometimes Indus. Hence, the word "Hindu" and the word "India". It is a region/territory not even in Bharat, the official name of India, as per the constitution. It is a secular word having no truthful religious connotations of any sorts:

"Historically the name India may referred to either the region of Greater India and the Indian subcontinent. Today it refers to the contemporary Republic of India located therein. The name is derived from the name of the Sindhu (Indus River) and has been in use in Greek since Herodotus (4th century BC).[1] The term appeared in Old English as early the 9th century and reemerged in Modern English in the 17th century."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_India
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[paarsurrey]

The term 'religion' itself doesn't fit well with Hinduism. But in order to garner some rights at all, we had to argue that we were a religion. This all came about because the anti-Hindu crowd at the time used 'it's not a religion' to discriminate against us.

Because it has cut itself off from the Veda, they say is eternal from God.
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[von bek]

With Hindu it is different. There is a river in Pakistan named Sindh, it is not even in India. The river is also called sometimes Indus. Hence, the word "Hindu" and the word "India". It is a region/territory not even in Bharat, the official name of India, as per the constitution. It is a secular word having no truthful religious connotations of any sorts:

Where to start? Pakistan is a nation-state carved out of India. It only exists because many Muslims did not want to live under a Hindu majority. So, let us not say things like Pakistan is not in Bharat. It very much was at one time. As was Afghanistan. (At one time, Afghanistan was the center of devotion to Amitabha Buddha.)

 

[psychoslice]

One may take it as defining the purpose and guiding to the destination truthfully and correctly. The destination is being one in G-d, achieving nearness to Him. Please
Regards

Yes I can agree with that.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes I can agree with that.

Thanks and regards

 

[atanu]

How does one know that a Guru is a Guru, not a con? Please
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Sat Guru is none but God in human form. If you cannot discern the Sat Guru, then you are not worthy.

 

[paarsurrey]

Sat Guru is none but God in human form. If you cannot discern the Sat Guru, then you are not worthy.

Who is your Sat Guru and what suggested you to take him not a con? There must be some signs given in Veda to discern Sat-Guru from a con. Right? Please
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[atanu]

Who is your Sat Guru and what suggested you to take him not a con? There must be some signs given in Veda to discern Sat-Guru from a con. Right? Please
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One who gives you peace is Satguru.

 

[paarsurrey]

One who gives you peace is Satguru.

So, one doesn't have a Satguru or any signs to know him. Does he have no name and is just an Illusion! Please
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[atanu]

So, one doesn't have a Satguru or any signs to know him. Does he have no name and is just an Illusion! Please
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Yes. To you it is. As one wishes so it transpires.

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Vedic Sanskrit a dead or a near dead language?

"Although the text of the redacted version of the Rig Veda was transmitted unchanged, by 500 BC Sanskrit had changed so much that commentaries were necessary to make sense of the Rig Vedic hymns."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda#Rishis
Please
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[Aupmanyav]

This makes it abundantly clear that "Hinduism" does not define any distinct religion of the Indian-sub-Continent.

Hinduism is the light that glows in India since thousands of years. It is distinct for not trying to force one view on all people and not resorting to violence. That cannot be said of the monotheist religions of the world.

Truth flows from the revealed scriptures:

Claims of revelations are shams. No proof.

This is a proof that Vedas have been adulterated/corrupted/redacted and is not Eternal. It needs to be renovated and restored to its original form.

You mean you want a physics book as it was in the time of Aristotle which should not have been updated. Sorry, much water has flowed in Nile since that time.

Good statistics, who will like to study such a voluminous scripture? It established a needs of a concise Veda scripture.

Go ahead. Who is stopping you? It is a free world. Don't just yak.

The destination is being one in G-d, achieving nearness to Him.

It may be your destination (It does not seem to be. All you are interested in presently is to cause friction and abuse Hinduism). But leave out atheists like me. I do not accept existence of God or soul.

With Hindu it is different. .. in the 17th century."

So?

Because it has cut itself off from the Veda, they say is eternal from God.

Vedas were prayers of Aryan people. The indigenous accepted them in the assimilation deal.

"Although the text of the redacted version of the Rig Veda was transmitted unchanged, by 500 BC Sanskrit had changed so much that commentaries were necessary to make sense of the Rig Vedic hymns."

Well, not just the language changed, but the locale also. From Arctic snow to Central Asian steppes to the Naimisharanya and Badrivana in India. Where the earliest prayers were written there was a day of seven months, a dawn of one month, a year of five seasons and a night of two or three months. The technology, the materials used, all changed. They started with stones, then used, wood, bones, bronze, copper and then iron. Taittiriya Samhita was written around 2,200 BC. So, why should it be surprising that the words changed and needed explanation in later times? The period encompassed includes the last ice-age. These people who studied Vedic words and gave their explanations were known as 'niruktikaras' (grammarians). One of the earliest 'niruktikaas' was my kin, Aupamanyava, who lived around 1000 BC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aupamanyava

 

[paarsurrey]

Well, not just the language changed, but the locale also. From Arctic snow to Central Asian steppes to the Naimisharanya and Badrivana in India. Where the earliest prayers were written there was a day of seven months, a dawn of one month, a year of five seasons and a night of two or three months. The technology, the materials used, all changed. They started with stones, then used, wood, bones, bronze, copper and then iron. Taittiriya Samhita was written around 2,200 BC. So, why should it be surprising that the words changed and needed explanation in later times? The period encompassed includes the last ice-age. These people who studied Vedic words and gave their explanations were known as 'niruktikaras' (grammarians). One of the earliest 'niruktikaas' was my kin, Aupamanyava, who lived around 1000 BC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aupamanyava

Since my interest is in the internal evidence from Veda.
So it is reasonable to ask one to please quote from Veda/Yajurveda/Rigveda at least 10 verses where "Arctic" is mentioned. Also please quote 10 verses where "snow" is mentioned and 10 verses in which " ice " is mentioned to prove one's point. Will one? Please
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[Aupmanyav]

Go through two books by B.G. Tilak - 'Arctic Home in Vedas' and 'Orion or the Researches in Antiquity of Vedas'. Both the books are available for reading/PDF download at www. archives.org. They contain many references from Vedas on the theory, many of them from Taittiriya Samhita of YajurVeda with which you are familiar now. You need to do your own work. Do not depend on others to spoon-feed you.

 

[LuisDantas]

Since my interest is in the internal evidence from Veda.
So it is reasonable to ask one to please quote from Veda/Yajurveda/Rigveda at least 10 verses where "Arctic" is mentioned. Also please quote 10 verses where "snow" is mentioned and 10 verses in which " ice " is mentioned to prove one's point. Will one? Please
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Isn't this yet another stance of you expecting others to do your homework for you?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Vedic Sanskrit a dead or a near dead language?

"The Rigveda (Sanskrit: ऋग्वेद ṛgveda, from ṛc "praise, shine"[1] and veda "knowledge") is an ancient Indian collection of Vedic Sanskrit hymns. It is one of the four canonical sacred texts (śruti) of Hinduism known as the Vedas.[2][3] The text is a collection of 1,028 hymns and 10,600 verses, organized into ten books (Mandalas).[4] A good deal of the language is still obscure and many hymns as a consequence seem unintelligible."*[5][6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda#Rishis
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda#cite_note-7
[5]Frederick M Smith, 'Purāņaveda,' in Laurie L. Patton (ed.), Authority, Anxiety, and Canon: Essays in Vedic Interpretation, SUNY Press 1994 p.99
[6]Arthur Llewellyn Basham, Kenneth G. Zysk, The Origins and Development of Classical Hinduism , Oxford University Press, 1989 p.7.
[7]Ram Gopal, The History and Principles of Vedic Interpretation, Concept Publishing Company, 1983 ch.2 pp.7-20

Please
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[Jainarayan]

A good deal of the language is still obscure and many hymns as a consequence seem unintelligible."*[5][6][7]

The operative word being seem. They seem unintelligible to those who are not versed in the language, history, culture. Put knowledge of all those together and a scholar can work it out. Therefore, not being versed in the language, history, culture, how will you know what to put into your version for the Great Unwashed Masses?

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey, post: 4880426, member: 37462"

Namaste,

Is Vedic Sanskrit a dead or a near dead language?

Assuming your limiting this only to the Samhita and not to Brahmana/Aranyaka/Upanishad which are also classified as "Veda", i would say that the Sanskrit in the Samhita cannot be classified as "Language", because there is no evidence that it was used as a communication device between humans, nor do we get any such idea from the Samhita Texts that the Mantras with their Svara were used as a language to communicate from Human to Human, Mantras as they are and as they were intended to be, either Rik the Mantra of illumination with several svaras, Saman is a Mantra that has to be sung according to the Savara and the Yajus type Mantras are Rhythmic prose. I did not find in the Mantra a instance where the Mantras describe a conversation between 2 Humans, it has always been either to advise about wisdom and truth or to worship and praise the Devta/Devi.

Vedic Sanskrit is DevaVani not ManushyaVani. Therefore to assume that these were ever used or intended as a Language of communication between Humans is incorrect, and therefore your question is invalid.

unless you have some evidence that shows the Mantras and the Svaras as written down in the Samhita books were used as "language", i would not make any decision on this issue.

Dhanyavad

 

[LuisDantas]

Hinduism is the light that glows in India since thousands of years. It is distinct for not trying to force one view on all people and not resorting to violence. That cannot be said of the monotheist religions of the world.Claims of revelations are shams. No proof.

@Aupmanyav , would you have an opinion about Sikhism that you might want to share? Word has it that they are monotheists.