Not logically, though. Logically, we can only want what it is possible to want.
Sorry, I don’t see any reason to think that is true.
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Not logically, though. Logically, we can only want what it is possible to want.
in the absolute there is no deadlock. the absolute is service to self and all as self, there is no difference between the two. paradox. like yin and yang.Two equal forces pushing against each other don't move. That's called a 'deadlock.'
If there is nothing to break the deadlock, there is no decision made. You need something to break the deadlock, whether that be some factor that determines a greater force, or spontaneity.
It's obvious shunyadragon has very little understanding of determinism, ("It is possible that different possible choices have equal deterministic value,") so I wouldn't expect he'll understand of your point. But I have to give you credit for tryin'.
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free will is never determined by external causes. free will is determined by internal choices. sin, ignorance, is an excuse to act apart from love. love is a state of mind, as is fear and hate. how one decides/determines to respond to them are solely the choice of the respondents consciousness.
Free will is an illusion.
Is free will basically the idea of an open mind, or free spirit?
everything changes, yes.
that is what an illusion is. it's something that doesn't have a definite form, or definite action, but it definitely exists.
because it changes doesn't mean it doesn't exist. it is a phenomena.
Doesn't sound accurate to me. Free will is more like stripping cause and effect out of your choices. We can do it, but it's not reality. We have will but it's never free.Is free will basically the idea of an open mind, or free spirit?
Still a slave to laws of nature, though.Free will is an impossible objective unless one lives in the wild where there are no man-made laws and such places do not exist where one can do as one pleases.
Exactly, like people who think kiddie concentration camps are perfectly moral. They will scream loudly about their piety despite them doing horrendous things.Yes there is most often a cultural standard for what is right, but most if not all are conditioned culturally to 'what is right,' even those who claim to be open minded or free spirits,or possibly claim to be 'enlightened.'
And there are lots of sick people out there who SHOULDN'T be treating others like they want to be treated.the golden rule, or law of reciprocity, is found in many cultures.
But choice didn't keep the cat dead or alive. Presence or absence of air holes did.only when the idea is tested does it appear. so then all states are possible but not all states are being manifested until choice is made
It still would. Our nervous systems have thresholds where they don't fire until a threshold is reached. Some need more to reach the threshold than others.If 'will' were not 'free,' no coercion or influence would be required.
His values regarding money and family and life in general will dictate his answer.that doesn't eliminate the banker's free will
But if humans are ignorant of what is possible, impossible things can be wanted.Not logically, though. Logically, we can only want what it is possible to want.
The question will always be unresolved. We lack the free will to resolve it.The question is unresolved.
Indiana Jones is faced with a swordsman. He is scripted to fight the guy. He ends up shooting the guy because Harrison Ford had diarrhea and needed to end the scene quickly. Ford made a choice, sorta, but really his intestines made his choice for him.Why, people can possibly reason through the possible choices allowable that have been limited by determinism.
Still a slave to laws of nature, though.
Doesn't sound accurate to me. Free will is more like stripping cause and effect out of your choices. We can do it, but it's not reality. We have will but it's never free.
That makes no sense.But if humans are ignorant of what is possible, impossible things can be wanted.
Free will is more commonly self-determination, which means that there is a clear cause of your choices. Yourself.Doesn't sound accurate to me. Free will is more like stripping cause and effect out of your choices. We can do it, but it's not reality. We have will but it's never free.
Free will is more commonly self-determination, which means that there is a clear cause of your choices. Yourself.
Freewill is about the human ability to react to the environment along the time axis without being pre-programmed. Time itself may well be a delusion even in terms of science. Thus freewill may also considered a delusion in terms of how it can be accessed by someone who can live outside our time axis.
Is free will basically the idea of an open mind, or free spirit?
then the Absolute has free will?
The concept of free will in my opinion is larger than your OP and the replies I have seen so far. Free will supposes that the universe is not pre-determined.
There is a basic premise, which is that free will cannot coexist with an omniscient being. If something out there (let’s call it “God”) knows what you’re going to do or think next, or even what your great-grand-child will think or do next one century from now, then everything that we think we are doing is simply predetermined fate. If it can be read ahead of time, then you were not actually making any spontaneous decisions that were not predictable.
Conversely, if you have an idea pop into your head, and some “God” says, “Wow! I didn’t know he was going to think that!”, then that entity is NOT an all knowing entity, and while it may be a god-like being, it is definitively NOT The God.
Additionally, while obliterating the possibility of a universal God, free will would also eliminate the possibility of a purely physical universe. If the motion of every atom and electron and quark is already set up throughout the universe, and all particles are subject to laws of physics, then where they go and how they interact (including with the sodium and potassium channels in the neurons of your brain) are all knowable (even though we currently couldn’t begin to fathom how). What you choose to eat for lunch today could have been influence by how a photon bounced off a hydrogen atom in the vicinity of venus yesterday.
True free will suggests (demands) the presence of some sort of undefinable “spirit” outside of your body/brain which is able to influence your brain, and yet is not influenced by physical matter and energy within this universe.
free will doesn't have to conflict with the free will of all, it's like the golden rule that self chooses to follow.Some people might have free will... But would you want anyone to have free will? Think about what you are asking... Someone wants something so they should be free to do it... whatever it takes to get it. They have free will right?
Is free will basically the idea of an open mind, or free spirit?
There is no way to disguise that you have, with that post, stated that you believe that god is finite.God has control at all times and knows cycles of eventualitites. For instance, he knows that you're stuck in a loop and you'll fall from heaven, as a group of sub-processes you'll work to figure out the cause and its remedy. Then heaven will be re-established and the fall will occur again. SO, he knows whats gonna happen.
He knows in the linear "resume", there are two eventualities, continuation or collapse. SO before y'all wreck ****, he loops time to prevent it then resumes it when yall are done ****ing up.
SO, you have free will until he has to take it away to keep you from collapsing his creation.
predetermination and free will coexist.