I would like to discuss existence vs non-existence and how this relates to the idea of god.
Simply define, existence is that fact or state of something having objective reality.
I think, hopefully, we can agree that there is existence so it seems like a safe place to start.
The question of existence in relation to god is whether god can be defined as an objective reality. I think if someone is to say "god exists" then it should follow that god is an objective reality.
So how does existence hold up against non-existence? Is non-existence even a thing. My idea of existence is that it is necessarily god when put up against the possibility of non-existence. So to say that existence, when thought about against non-existence, is sort of a miracle in of itself, regardless whether someone prefers to label existence as god or not. Can it be purposed that existence is not some sort of miracle, that existence is just some sort of natural phenomenon?
There are other attributes to this existence that I believe are god-like attributes but for the purposes of the thread I am wondering if existence can be seen as a creation unto itself, a self fulfilling miracle if you will. Where as the theist camp will say, God just exists, in the same token the atheist camp will say, reality just exists without a need for a creator. I tend to be in the middle of those two camps, and believe it is both in a way. I think on one hand monotheists tend to complicate the issue by purposing something else extraordinary to create the reality we know, where as with the atheist camp I can't help but feel, ignores the paradox that is existence vs. non-existence. With the way science describes the universe and time just coming into existence sounds super extraordinary to me and nothing short of a miracle.
All agreements and objections are welcome.
Simply define, existence is that fact or state of something having objective reality.
I think, hopefully, we can agree that there is existence so it seems like a safe place to start.
The question of existence in relation to god is whether god can be defined as an objective reality. I think if someone is to say "god exists" then it should follow that god is an objective reality.
So how does existence hold up against non-existence? Is non-existence even a thing. My idea of existence is that it is necessarily god when put up against the possibility of non-existence. So to say that existence, when thought about against non-existence, is sort of a miracle in of itself, regardless whether someone prefers to label existence as god or not. Can it be purposed that existence is not some sort of miracle, that existence is just some sort of natural phenomenon?
There are other attributes to this existence that I believe are god-like attributes but for the purposes of the thread I am wondering if existence can be seen as a creation unto itself, a self fulfilling miracle if you will. Where as the theist camp will say, God just exists, in the same token the atheist camp will say, reality just exists without a need for a creator. I tend to be in the middle of those two camps, and believe it is both in a way. I think on one hand monotheists tend to complicate the issue by purposing something else extraordinary to create the reality we know, where as with the atheist camp I can't help but feel, ignores the paradox that is existence vs. non-existence. With the way science describes the universe and time just coming into existence sounds super extraordinary to me and nothing short of a miracle.
All agreements and objections are welcome.