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We always used to refer to it as "Catholic Light": All the religion, half the guilt.lunamoth said:Actually, re-reading the above I'm not sure if I answered your question. If not, please let me know and I'll take another stab at it tomorrow.
good night!
luna
Yes, I in the states it would be either wine or cocktails I think. But, actually I am a tea drinker myself.Elvendon said:Haven't you heard the cliche?
No beer please, we're Anglican
I've been enjoying your posts over at CR. So great to have you around.How are you lunamoth? I followed you here hehe
Hmmm...looks like I need training for international hostessing I guess. What are those?I'd like some Assam and a choccy digestive please ^^
I consider myself a radical ecumenist. I'd love to see us all in communion, but I suppose we A/E's tend to be too progressive, esp when it comes to women priests and who knows what will happen with the homosexual Bishop thing; we may not be able to stay in communion even with ourselves. I do not know as much about the EOC as I do the RCC, but what little I know I really like. I would like to know more about it, but I think I hold some doctirines a bit too gently to 'make it' as either RCC or EOC. I like the Episcopal approach to doctrine. I am curious about how different the Episcopal Church USA feels from UK Anglicanism. There is a wide range here, some folks very RCC, others much closer to Protestantism. I'm a middle-wayer myself, I think.I would like to know what your attitudes are towards Ecumenism. Do you feel closer to the Eastern Orthodox Church than the Roman Catholic Church? I have long felt that Anglicanism is still too Roman - we have a long and illustrious history of Christianity in England and I think we need to draw more on the heritage of an Anglican heartland than that of a Church that we split from half a millenia ago
I don't know anything about it, but would be interested to learn more. Can you fill me in on this or direct me to a (not too long) article? In general I don't really think too much about politcal affairs, although of course I stay informed so I can vote properly.Secondly, what do you think of the recent recommendation by Carey that the next coronation should be a multi-faith affair? Should the Church of England still be a national church?
Nehustan said:I was brought up High Church, am I allowed to pop in for a cup of Earl Grey I'll make you a mint tea on a return visit.
(P.S. 'More tea Vicar?' the rallying cry of Betjeman's Britain )
Hehe, I've heard that one before.sojourner said:We always used to refer to it as "Catholic Light": All the religion, half the guilt.
I like this about the Episcopal Church. It's a pretty big tent, yet we are united where it counts.I am often astonished at the wide varience in approach and perspective. One parish may contain "Rite I" folks who despise homosexuality, and also "Rite II" folks who celebrated Robinson's consecration.
Thank you for the kind words! But I'm sure that just like in any crowd you'll find both ends of the spectrum of acceptance and tolerance. I think I'm fairly central in most of my beliefs, solid in the Creeds, think that Spong goes a little beyond the pale, not into hellfire (although I have yet to meet a Piskey who is). You and I speak the same language Soj, Love is the Way.For all its "pomp and circumstance," and its reputation for being the "Frozen Chosen," I have always found Episcopalians to be warm, friendly, and accepting of others, as well as extremely gracious.
I think we have intercommunion with the ELCA now, but I'd need to verify. These days with two preschoolers I am out of the loop when it comes to much beyond worship and Sunday School. (I would like to identify a Spiritual Director; I had one briefly in MO before we moved, and I would very much like to find a way to take EFM, but again with two little kids and a husband who travels a lot, makes it hard). As I said above, I am very supportive of ecumenism and interfaith work. I always figure that if we work at Love then unity will follow.If I might take a stab at ecumenism, I know that the Episcopal Church is a member of CUIC -- "Churches Uniting in Christ," and that the Church takes a broad and welcoming stance on ecumenical efforts in general. I believe that (last I knew) the Episcopal Church had a concordat with the ELCA, working toward full intercommunion, and that efforts were being made toward full reconciliation with the Eastern Church.
lunamoth said:Yes, I in the states it would be either wine or cocktails I think. But, actually I am a tea drinker myself.
I've been enjoying your posts over at CR. So great to have you around.
Hmmm...looks like I need training for international hostessing I guess. What are those?
I consider myself a radical ecumenist. I'd love to see us all in communion, but I suppose we A/E's tend to be too progressive, esp when it comes to women priests and who knows what will happen with the homosexual Bishop thing; we may not be able to stay in communion even with ourselves. I do not know as much about the EOC as I do the RCC, but what little I know I really like. I would like to know more about it, but I think I hold some doctirines a bit too gently to 'make it' as either RCC or EOC. I like the Episcopal approach to doctrine. I am curious about how different the Episcopal Church USA feels from UK Anglicanism. There is a wide range here, some folks very RCC, others much closer to Protestantism. I'm a middle-wayer myself, I think.
I don't know anything about it, but would be interested to learn more. Can you fill me in on this or direct me to a (not too long) article? In general I don't really think too much about politcal affairs, although of course I stay informed so I can vote properly.
lunamoth said:*Pours some steaming Earl Grey* You are most welcome here kind sir. Earl Grey is also my favorite, especially with a little Godiva chocolate on the side. In fact, I invariably have a cup by my side when I sit down in the evenings to peruse RF.
Where are you serving mint?
luna
I think we have intercommunion with the ELCA now, but I'd need to verify. These days with two preschoolers I am out of the loop when it comes to much beyond worship and Sunday School. (I would like to identify a Spiritual Director; I had one briefly in MO before we moved, and I would very much like to find a way to take EFM, but again with two little kids and a husband who travels a lot, makes it hard). As I said above, I am very supportive of ecumenism and interfaith work. I always figure that if we work at Love then unity will follow.
So great to have you stop by Soj! Can I pour you anything?
Thank you for the 'educational' links. English Breakfast tea and graham crackers it is then! Just kidding. We Americans can be so gauche. Actually those Chocolate Digestives sound very nice.Elvendon said:Hehe, though I do like real ale, I loooove my tea ^^.
It's great to be around!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assam_tea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_Digestive
Well, I think we have a lot of 'in-between' high and low church. The church I grew up in, a beautiful old stone thing on a picturesque lake in a small upstate NY town, and the two I've been a member of since, have seemed like 'high church' to me, in that they seemed very very similar to the RCC masses I've attended. The last church I went to, in MO, used the bells and incense a lot (even when it was not a holy day service), so I thought that was 'high church,' but I've been informed since then that actually this is not so 'high.' Guess I've never been to a real high church before, sniff, but I'd really like to. I love the liturgy and sacraments, and I think the 'higher' the more I'd like it. I've never been to an Episcopal service that was as low-key as most other Protestant churches I've been to. Many of them do not even have the Eucharist each Sunday. Anyway, that sure was a lot of words to say "I'm not sure."The Church of England is even more mixed than the Episcopal church I think. It appears to me (from ordaining a gay bishop) that the progressives may be more common in the states than they are in the UK. Conservative and Progressive Anglicans appear in closer to equal quantities over here. As far as homosexuality and women-priests go, I'm quite progressive, but theologically I've been told I'm quite close to Eastern Orthodoxy. We tend to have quite a-lot of high-church over here... how about you?
Thank you, I would like to check that out some time. I enjoy James' posts and have found myself attracted to much of what I've learned about the EOC. I would love to go to an EO Mass sometime.I've been enquiring into Eastern Orthodoxy ever since JamesThePersian pointed me in it's direction. If you'd like to find out more, this place is great:
http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2210096,00.html
I think if this is done, the monarch should cease to be the head of the Church of England - it should be made that the Archbishop of Canterbury should be.
Nehustan said:erm...I guess just after magrib....but we don't have a tea room, maybe I will erect a bedouin tent in lieu
Yes, it is a committment, but I thirst...sojourner said:I did the whole EFM thing -- was a mentor for two years, as well. It's a great program, but it is time-consuming...and rather expensive...
I'm getting a great education in tea here. Hehe, leave it to brothers and cousins of the Church of England to know their tea. I drink coffee in the am, two or three cups at most, then my Earl Grey in the evening. Hey, it's always afternoon somewhere...In the morning, a hearty breakfast tea, in the afternoon, Earl Grey (It is an afternoon tea, you know), in the evening, China Gunpowder. All with a bit of sugar and a dash of milk. Cheers!
lunamoth said:Thank you for the 'educational' links. English Breakfast tea and graham crackers it is then! Just kidding. We Americans can be so gauche. Actually those Chocolate Digestives sound very nice.
Well, I think we have a lot of 'in-between' high and low church. The church I grew up in, a beautiful old stone thing on a picturesque lake in a small upstate NY town, and the two I've been a member of since, have seemed like 'high church' to me, in that they seemed very very similar to the RCC masses I've attended. The last church I went to, in MO, used the bells and incense a lot (even when it was not a holy day service), so I thought that was 'high church,' but I've been informed since then that actually this is not so 'high.' Guess I've never been to a real high church before, sniff, but I'd really like to. I love the liturgy and sacraments, and I think the 'higher' the more I'd like it. I've never been to an Episcopal service that was as low-key as most other Protestant churches I've been to. Many of them do not even have the Eucharist each Sunday. Anyway, that sure was a lot of words to say "I'm not sure."
Thank you, I would like to check that out some time. I enjoy James' posts and have found myself attracted to much of what I've learned about the EOC. I would love to go to an EO Mass sometime.
Thank you for the article. I read it, but I really don't feel strongly one way or another about this. Seperation of church and state has worked pretty well as far as I'm concerned here in the US. And as for the Monarch being the official head of the Anglican Communion, well, I guess that does not really bother me one way or another either. Seems more of a diplomacy thing as far as your politics go, and more of a figurehead thing as far as the CofE goes.
Hey, I might, just might (keeping my fingers crossed), get to visit Ireland this September! I am not a world traveler (except for two trips to China when we adopted our girls, and a trip to Mexico for the first and only time last year), so this is a very big deal, a trip of a lifetime for me (if it happens). Any suggestions for Celtic Churches to check out there if I get to go?
luna