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  1. HonestJoe

    The Holy Fire - Myth or Miracle?

    Doesn't that demonstrate the obvious issue of confirmation bias though? Even as your rational logic tells you it is unlikely to be everything it has been claimed to be, you can't shake your desire to believe there is "something miraculous" (with apparently zero idea what that could even be). I...
  2. HonestJoe

    Lightning Bug or Firefly. What do you call them?

    Serenity. :(
  3. HonestJoe

    The hole paradox I came up with myself

    You're never going to find out if their correct or not if you just dismiss anything you don't want to hear out of hand as them "not understanding". I'm not expecting you to blindly accept anything anyone else says is true or that anything you've said is false, only for you to truly accept the...
  4. HonestJoe

    The hole paradox I came up with myself

    Or could it be that "they've explained it to you as clearly as they reasonably can, and you still don't get it."? You see, nobody is really disagreeing with the fundamental observations you're making about the nature of "holes", they're just looking to build on those observations to have less...
  5. HonestJoe

    The hole paradox I came up with myself

    I'm not assuming anything. I recognise that several other people understand what you're saying but don't entirely agree on your conclusions, or at least are looking to expand on them, just like I am. The problem is your unwillingness to consider anything that you don't think entirely fits and...
  6. HonestJoe

    The hole paradox I came up with myself

    I'm pretty sure I understand what you're trying to say, I just disagree with you on some of the key concepts. This doesn't mean you've lost the debate, it just means you're at a loss on how to communicate with anyone about this topic. :cool:
  7. HonestJoe

    The hole paradox I came up with myself

    I probably shouldn't have used the word "nothing" in the true vacuum example. Change that to "if you put the object in a true vacuum, the hole will have a true vacuum in it". The hole has "value" conceptually, but it's still not a physical object in it's own right, it is a property of the object...
  8. HonestJoe

    The hole paradox I came up with myself

    I understand, I just disagree. You can perceive a hole in the manner you're choosing to, in which case you do have something of a paradox but that paradox doesn't cause any major issues in practice because people tend not to perceive holes in exactly the manner you're describing. I think it's...
  9. HonestJoe

    The hole paradox I came up with myself

    Most words have multiple legitimate meanings, depending on context, intent and often, perception. The word "hole" is very much an example of that. In common usage though, I suggest "hole" is less a thing in itself but more a property of an object. The hole doesn't simply exist, something has a...
  10. HonestJoe

    What Do YOU Think Of When You Hear, Read, or Say the word; "God"?

    In most contexts I hear the word, I think of it as the mild swearword it's typically being used as. Where it's being used to describe an actual divine being or beings, I will tend to think of whatever the person using it is describing (directly or indirectly). It's almost as if "god" is just...
  11. HonestJoe

    When does life begin?

    There's no singular measurement to definitively determine if a person (or any other creature for that matter) is alive or dead. Heartbeat, breathing or the various definitions of brain death can be considered but none are necessarily definitive or apply equally in all cases. We obviously work...
  12. HonestJoe

    When does life begin?

    I think what you're missing is that this isn't a biological debate but a political one. Some people have decided (for whatever reasons) that they don't support abortion and so come up with a specific spin on selected facts to create the concept of "life begins at conception". Some of the people...
  13. HonestJoe

    Taylor Swift?

    It was more pragmatic rather than semantic nitpicking. :cool:
  14. HonestJoe

    Taylor Swift?

    I'm trying to have a discussion about the topic you're saying you started the thread about. Why bother with the thread in the first place if you didn't actually want to discuss anything?
  15. HonestJoe

    Taylor Swift?

    You didn't ask about a "cultural phenomena" though, you asked about a person. Any "cultural phenomena" element is very much a creation (and exaggeration) of the media, and is variously applied to a range of individuals, groups or properties at different times.
  16. HonestJoe

    Google Staff Fired for Protesting Israel Ties

    On the face of it, it doesn't sound unreasonable. In fact, I'd suggest it'd be stranger for the employees to engage in such a determined protest against the company but then turn up to work the next day as if nothing happened.
  17. HonestJoe

    Taylor Swift?

    No offense intended, but so what? There isn't any art that appeals to everyone, or even necessarily the majority. I'm not great fan of Swift, if only because I'm not a great fan of her style of music in general (I'm not at all in her core demographic anyway, like you I suspect). I'm not going...
  18. HonestJoe

    Atheists believe in miracles more than believers

    Well yes, if you completely redefine a word to fit your predetermined conclusion, you can make anything true from a particular "perspective". If (theistic) believers considered such events in the manner you describe though (which isn't necessarily the case for all anyway), they wouldn't be...
  19. HonestJoe

    Will Trumps trial be fair and unbiased?

    Sure, but that doesn't mean the kind of consequences and difficulties that can cause the legal processes are unique or unaccounted for. I know some of Trump's rabid supporters (and I'm not saying that is necessarily you) want to spin the idea that he is somehow uniquely unable to get a fair...
  20. HonestJoe

    Will Trumps trial be fair and unbiased?

    Sure, that's why I said "As much as possible". Trump isn't the first ever famous criminal defendant though and certainly isn't the first defendant to have characteristics that could lead a lot of prospective jurors to be biased, for or against them. The system is never going to be perfect, even...
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