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The 500 Pound Gorilla In The Room

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lostwanderingsoul

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Just a comment on racism. It only seems to work one way. Obama just opened a national black museum. If someone tried to open a national white museum you would hear loud cries of racism and demonstrations demanding it be closed down.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Perditus said:
I've got a college degree in CJ and 40 years in LE.
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You don't sound like it if you believe in the hard statistic that black people commit more crimes because they stand in front of a judge more often than white people, and stating that taking a plea bargain isn't facing prosecution.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Rival said:
No one outside the U.S. gives a damn and race isn't an issue so we don't care to report it.
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Or Brits also don't handle their racial & cultural problems very well either.
Opinions will vary about whether race matters.
History shows that when the cop is white, this is of paramount importance to all media here.
If ferriners don't care about this discrepancy, then perhaps they're being overly provincial.
This is because when commenting upon events here, foreign standards do not apply.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Brickjectivity said:
I think racism against whites is on the rise here, yes; but only temporarily. Its a kind of groggy backlash -- ironically late but not unexpected. As the brainwashing is wearing off people are realizing how bad was some of the crap that happened to their families -- that it was not fair at all, not the Lord's will, etc. Probably this will self correct over the next ten years. People who are thinking like racists will have time to cool down and rethink things. In the meantime the police are in the hot seat as usual, facing the situation while the civilians watch from a safe distance.
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I like your optimistic time frame.
Observing dynamic race relations over the last half century, I expect a longer process.
I'd like to be wrong.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Perditus said:
Boohoo. Off to the education camps. If you commit crimes with victims, victims will avoid you.

Logic 101.

Solution: Black community needs to pop head out of buttocks.

Agreed. Good luck with that. Crime is hardwired into the culture. Time in prison is a status symbol.

They've peed in their own Wheaties® for decades. You can lead a horse to water, etc.

The problem is within their community, not outside of it.
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I don't disagree.
But I'm concerned most with law abiding citizens in the community, who suffer the consequences of neighbors over whom they've no control. It would be unfair to treat them poorly because where they live is troubled this way. They deserve police assistance, the great difficulty of it notwithstanding. And of course they have an obligation to do what they can to cooperate.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
There is a reason "snitches get stitches," and it's because it's not just narcing out people to the cops, it often involves grievous betrayals.
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I never said it would be easy.
Cops have to improve their lot too, thereby earning lost trust.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Perditus said:
I don't give a damn but the BS is thrown in our faces constantly by the Whiner Class.
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We should take care to recognize differences between the many elements in a community.
Some are thugs, some are lazy whiners, & a great great many who are productive citizens
go unnoticed because their behavior isn't newsworthy. I see a collection of diverse individuals,
with merely some things in common.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Revoltingest said:
I never said it would be easy.
Cops have to improve their lot too, thereby earning lost trust.
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It has nothing to do with being easy. Someone who is family or that I consider a friend, almost just about anything they could do I'd still try to help them "under the radar" before I'd rat them out to the cops.
And snitching is probably the worst way for cops to gain the trust of anyone, because it not only erodes trust with the police knowing they have informants, it can erode family, friendly, and communal ties.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
It has nothing to do with being easy. Someone who is family or that I consider a friend, almost just about anything they could do I'd still try to help them "under the radar" before I'd rat them out to the cops.
And snitching is probably the worst way for cops to gain the trust of anyone, because it not only erodes trust with the police knowing they have informants, it can erode family, friendly, and communal ties.
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Let's say they witness a murder.
If they refuse to identify the suspect, then it's foolish to complain about the murder rate.
I've read of refusal to cooperate with cops when investigating crimes.
That must change.
If not, the status quo is permanent.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
What's more suspicious about that than a white person in the same situation? And I'm sure you are very aware the niceness of one's car doesn't inherently mean anything, regardless of where they are driving. Afterall, the best way to do illegal things is to blend in with the crowd and not stand out.
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It is the same thing black or white.
The post is about ethnic groups however.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
Let's say they witness a murder.
If they refuse to identify the suspect, then it's foolish to complain about the murder rate.
I've read of refusal to cooperate with cops when investigating crimes.
That must change.
If not, the status quo is permanent.
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There ya go. Spot on correct assessment.
Seldom did I encounter ethnics willing to speak against an ethnic criminal.
I've interviewed a number of eth.................aw black witnesses that saw nothing.
The older, working, blacks were much more helpful IF interviewed in private.
I always conducted a field interview by slipping my business card to them and whisper
to call me when they could.
Often the older generation would call me.
It helped a great deal that I was dirt poor as a kid and grew up in "the hood" so to speak.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
jeager106 said:
There ya go. Spot on correct assessment.
Seldom did I encounter ethnics willing to speak against an ethnic criminal.
I've interviewed a number of eth.................aw black witnesses that saw nothing.
The older, working, blacks were much more helpful IF interviewed in private.
I always conducted a field interview by slipping my business card to them and whisper
to call me when they could.
Often the older generation would call me.
It helped a great deal that I was dirt poor as a kid and grew up in "the hood" so to speak.
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Old people are the best.

Uh oh.....I'll be in hot water for ageism now.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
I never said it would be easy.
Cops have to improve their lot too, thereby earning lost trust.
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There are some really outstanding police departments. They are in cities and areas where the government supports both the police and the community, where the heads of the police department not only supports cops who work there but also builds good community relations and gets rid of any bad apples.

Of course, this is not "news" except in sites like this one where positive stories involving the police are a regular feature http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/?s=police One example: http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/newark-finding-humanity-police-public-di-ionno/
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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sunrise123 said:
There are some really outstanding police departments. They are in cities and areas where the government supports both the police and the community, where the heads of the police department not only supports cops who work there but also builds good community relations and gets rid of any bad apples.

Of course, this is not "news" except in sites like this one where positive stories involving the police are a regular feature http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/?s=police One example: http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/newark-finding-humanity-police-public-di-ionno/
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Yes, tis easy to let the good go unnoticed when the bad commands attention.
So you get a pat on the head for your post.
Good doggy!
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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sunrise123 said:
There are some really outstanding police departments. They are in cities and areas where the government supports both the police and the community, where the heads of the police department not only supports cops who work there but also builds good community relations and gets rid of any bad apples.
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Around here, it's pretty much the county sheriffs that you can trust and rest assured they aren't out to harass, intimidate, and give people as much grief as they possibly can. The town just a bit to South, however, I've known many people who have been "searched just to search." Of course nothing was found, which really indicates a problem when so many people are being searched yet they have nothing on them.
Revoltingest said:
I've read of refusal to cooperate with cops when investigating crimes.
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There's been times I haven't cooperated. It really depends. Sometimes the police only make things worse, and sending them away instead of handing over who they are looking for means the person they are looking for may have just been bought a day to get the help they need, and get the help they will need once they do turn themselves in arranged.
Revoltingest said:
That must change.
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To some extend, but we must not become drones who spill the beans whenever a badge shows up. We had probably best enjoy being uncooperative with police before that too becomes a serious and heavily punishable offense (Trump has already said he wants people who don't snitch criminally charged).
 
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