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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
All the saints had to testify to the knowledge of God by writing and speaking the words He put in their minds. This is how God teaches us who we are during this first age. None of these writings were used for the new testament but some of their quotes were stolen by religious Jews who mixed them with their Jewish traditions and Babylonian pagan teachings.
The facts of the actual history of the writings in the Bible does not support this aggressive, egocentric antagonistic view of the origin of the Torah. It is also very paranoid and insulting to the Jews and their Torah. These writings are the foundation for the New Testament and the authors and Church Fathers used these texts, believed and referred to them as in the Dead Sea scrolls. The evolution of the scriptures of the Bible. The begin with the Sumerian, than Babylonian, Canaanite/Phoenitian/Ugarit text, and the Pentateuch was compiled after 600 BCE. There are no texts of the Pentateuch before 600 BCE
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
I'm of a generation where religion had to do with devotion to the source of all that is, God, not the devil. To be clear, no, I did not mean to include Satanism as a religious practice.

I do not understand what question I was supposed have answered "none" to?

Jhana is Pali for Dhyana, and I have explained Dhyan above.
Matthew 12:33

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.



I support Total Religious Devotion. Given your answer you are having Recreational Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything you want enjoying the Beast Man. Beast Man Religion is Satan's/Devil's Religion. Whether you Choose Total Religious Devotion to Elohim/God or the Devil/Satan is Ordained by Elohim/God.


Every person on the planet are born Children of the Satan/Devil from the Womb. Marquis de Sade, Jacob Frank and Aleister Crowley are Total Religious Devotees of the Satan/Devil.


Are there Buddhist Scriptures describing your Religious Practice? What Holy Book Source is your Religion from?
 
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Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Matthew 12:33

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.



I support Total Religious Devotion. Given your answer you are having Recreational Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything you want enjoying the Beast Man. Beast Man Religion is Satan's/Devil's Religion. Whether you Choose Total Religious Devotion to Elohim/God or the Devil/Satan is Ordained by Elohim/God.


Every person on the planet are born Children of the Satan/Devil from the Womb. Marquis de Sade, Jacob Frank and Aleister Crowley are Total Religious Devotees of the Satan/Devil.


Are there Buddhist Scriptures describing your Religious Practice? What Holy Book Source is your Religion from?
It is not what you eat that defiles a man, but what comes from your mind in the form of hate, envy, lust, greed, unforgiveness, etc..

Fyi, I do eat meat, and I like a wine in the evening. I am not against vegetarianism, though it is not a biblical practice.

I live by the teaching of Jesus. My meditation practice is still mind meditation. I do not read books. I merely meditate and deal with reality as in unfolds for me each day. I have an interest and follow the geopolitics related to End times. Fwiw, the world is facing Armageddon and Judgement and it has already begun with in the Middle East.

God is non-dual, and I eat from the tree of life in the middle of the garden of Eden. The mind of most people is dualistic because they eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil.

God is one, good and evil is two..

Isaiah 45:6-7.
The Lord God is one.
I create the light and the darkness, I create good and I create evil, I the Lord do these things.

The saved soul's mind is non-dualistic. The Beast man is dualistic.
 

jimb

Active Member
Premium Member
The facts of the actual history of the writings in the Bible does not support this aggressive, egocentric antagonistic view of the origin of the Torah. It is also very paranoid and insulting to the Jews and their Torah. These writings are the foundation for the New Testament and the authors and Church Fathers used these texts, believed and referred to them as in the Dead Sea scrolls. The evolution of the scriptures of the Bible. The begin with the Sumerian, than Babylonian, Canaanite/Phoenitian/Ugarit text, and the Pentateuch was compiled after 600 BCE. There are no texts of the Pentateuch before 600 BCE
Seriously? The best estimate is that the Pentateuch was written some time between the time of the Exodus and the death of Moses, namely, between 1446 and 1406 B.C.

The facts of the actual history of the writings in the Bible does not support your aggressive, egocentric antagonistic view of the origin of the Torah.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Seriously? The best estimate is that the Pentateuch was written some time between the time of the Exodus and the death of Moses, namely, between 1446 and 1406 B.C.

The facts of the actual history of the writings in the Bible does not support your aggressive, egocentric antagonistic view of the origin of the Torah.
Yes seriously. I go by the actual evidence of the time the Pentateuch was written.

8(1) The Hebrew language did not exist until after 800-600 BCE. The scrapes of known text (none for the Pentateuch) were Phoenician/Canaanite/Ugarit scrapes on pottery. The writing was like what has been found in Canaait/Ugarit ancient libraries in Northern Palestine.
(2) Absolutely no texts in stone, clay tablets, or papyrus of the Pentateuch existed before 600 BCE.
(3) The analysis of the text and handwriting of the earliest known texts and the cultural framework lf the texts determine that it was written after the Babylonian exile,
(4) Some source extrapolate portions of the text being written between 800-586 BCE before the Babylonian exile in the First Temple period such as Deuteronomy to Second Kings,, but no known texts exist.
(5) Between 586 -200 BCE is a gap where no known written record is available.

The following is a reliable source from the Tel Aviv University.

Handwriting analysis provides clues for dating of old testament texts​

by Tel Aviv University

Ostraca (ink inscriptions on clay) from the Iron Age fortress of Arad, located in arid southern Judah. These documents are dated to the latest phase of the First Temple Period in Judah, ca. 600 BCE. The texts represent correspondence of local military personnel. The research engaged new document analysis algorithms aimed at identifying different writers. It detected at least six contemporaneous authors within a corpus of 16 inscriptions. This indicates a high literacy level within the Judahite administration and provides a possible stage-setting for compilation of biblical texts. Credit: Michael Cordonsky (photographer), Tel Aviv University and the Israel Antiquities Authority.
Scholars have long debated how much of the Hebrew bible was composed before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Kingdom of Judah in 586 BCE. While scholars agree that key biblical texts were written starting in the 7th century BCE, the exact date of the compilation of these books remains in question.

A new Tel Aviv University study published today in PNAS suggests that widespread literacy was required for this massive undertaking and provides empirical evidence of that literacy in the final days of the Kingdom of Judah. A profusion of literate individuals in Judah may have set the stage for the compilation of biblical works that constitute the basis of Judahite history and theology, such as the early version of the books of Deuteronomy to Second Kings, according to the researchers.
"There's a heated discussion regarding the timing of the composition of a critical mass of biblical texts," said Prof. Israel Finkelstein of TAU's Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Civilizations, who led the research together with Prof. Eliezer Piasetzky of TAU's School of Physics and Astronomy. "But to answer this, one must ask a broader question: What were the literacy rates in Judah at the end of the First Temple period? And what were the literacy rates later on, under Persian rule?"
The interdisciplinary study was conducted by Shira Faigenbaum-Golovin, Arie Shaus and Barak Sober, under the supervision of Prof. Eli Turkel and Prof. David Levin, all of TAU's Department of Applied Mathematics. Other collaborators included Prof. Nadav Na'aman of TAU's Department of Jewish History and Prof. Benjamin Sass of TAU's Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Civilizations.

Literacy in the First Temple period​

Using cutting-edge computerized image processing and machine learning tools, the TAU team analyzed 16 inscriptions unearthed at an excavation in the remote fort of Arad, and deduced that the texts had been written by at least six authors. The content of the inscriptions disclosed that reading and writing abilities existed throughout the military chain of command, from the highest echelon all the way down to the deputy quartermaster of the fort.
"We designed an algorithm to distinguish between different authors, then composed a statistical mechanism to assess our findings," said Sober. "Through probability analysis, we eliminated the likelihood that the texts were written by a single author."
The inscriptions found at Arad consisted of instructions for troop movements and the registration of expenses for food. The tone and nature of the commands precluded the role of professional scribes. Considering the remoteness of Arad, the small garrison stationed there, and the narrow time period of the inscriptions, this finding indicates a high literacy rate within Judah's administrative apparatus—and provides a suitable background for the composition of a critical mass of biblical texts.

Literacy more widespread than previously believed​

"We found indirect evidence of the existence of an educational infrastructure, which could have enabled the composition of biblical texts," said Prof. Piasetzky. "Literacy existed at all levels of the administrative, military and priestly systems of Judah. Reading and writing were not limited to a tiny elite."
"Now our job is to extrapolate from Arad to a broader area," said Prof. Finkelstein. "Adding what we know about Arad to other forts and administrative localities across ancient Judah, we can estimate that many people could read and write during the last phase of the First Temple period. We assume that in a kingdom of some 100,000 people, at least several hundred were literate.
"Following the fall of Judah, there was a large gap in production of Hebrew inscriptions until the second century BCE, the next period with evidence for widespread literacy. This reduces the odds for a compilation of substantial Biblical literature in Jerusalem between ca. 586 and 200 BCE."
 
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jimb

Active Member
Premium Member
Hebrew has its origins in the Semitic language group known as the Canaanite group, which has written records dating back to the second millennium BCE.

Old Hebrew existed in the early centuries of the first millennium BCE.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Hebrew has its origins in the Semitic language group known as the Canaanite group, which has written records dating back to the second millennium BCE.

Old Hebrew existed in the early centuries of the first millennium BCE.
Yes Hebrew is a semitic language evolved from Phoenician/Canaanite/ Ugarit languages. There are absolutely no texts of Hebrew dating to second Millenium BCE, and absolutely no texts of the Pentateuch before 600 BCE. Of course no extent texts of the Pentateuch before 200 BCE.

If you disagree with this as cited in my reference please cite references documenting Hebrew text dated to the second millennium BCE.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Please respond with actual references to document your assertions s I have and will provide concerning the dating of the Pentateuch text.
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
It is not what you eat that defiles a man, but what comes from your mind in the form of hate, envy, lust, greed, unforgiveness, etc..

Fyi, I do eat meat, and I like a wine in the evening. I am not against vegetarianism, though it is not a biblical practice.
Daniel 1:12

12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.

Daniel 1:12

12 `Try, I pray thee, thy servants, ten days; and they give to us of the vegetables, and we eat, and water, and we drink;



I'm Vegan. Vegan is not the same as Vegetarianism. Vegetarians consume animal products, such as, milk and cheese. Yes indeed, Veganism is Biblical. My Veganism is the Daniel Fast that is Forever never ever returning to Meat or Animal product consuming. I'm in Total Agreement with all the teachings of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.











I live by the teaching of Jesus. My meditation practice is still mind meditation. I do not read books. I merely meditate and deal with reality as in unfolds for me each day. I have an interest and follow the geopolitics related to End times. Fwiw, the world is facing Armageddon and Judgement and it has already begun with in the Middle East.
Everything is about the Dualist War between Good and Evil that has been ongoing for thousands of years. Those that appear to be on Opposing Sides are actually Fighting on the same side in the War. Happy to say Armageddon and Judgement is Fully Coming soon because we the Servants of Elohim/God are bringing it in. These are the best times to live for the Saints.












God is non-dual, and I eat from the tree of life in the middle of the garden of Eden. The mind of most people is dualistic because they eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil.

God is one, good and evil is two..

Isaiah 45:6-7.
The Lord God is one.
I create the light and the darkness, I create good and I create evil, I the Lord do these things.

The saved soul's mind is non-dualistic. The Beast man is dualistic.
That's Absolutely True, Elohim/God is Good and Evil. Elohim/God is One and Two/Dualistic. Elohim/God Is All Things. Elohim/God Is Dualist to Bring Out Israel From the Heathen and for the Heathen to Fight Against Israel.


Yet, you are practising Carnal Religion by Eating anything you want and Drinking Alcohol like almost every person on the planet. I notice you haven't mentioned Recreational Sex and Drug Taking. I assume you are also doing those Carnal Things. These are the Devoted Religious Practices of the Beast Man. I'm encouraging a greater commitment to the Carnal Religion you are practising using examples of Marquis de Sade, Jacob Frank and Aleister Crowley.


Doubt (4/10) Movie CLIP - Supper Time (2008) HD
 
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Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Daniel 1:12

12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.

Daniel 1:12

12 `Try, I pray thee, thy servants, ten days; and they give to us of the vegetables, and we eat, and water, and we drink;



I'm Vegan. Vegan is not the same as Vegetarianism. Vegetarians consume animal products, such as, milk and cheese. Yes indeed, Veganism is Biblical. My Veganism is the Daniel Fast that is Forever never ever returning to Meat or Animal product consuming. I'm in Total Agreement with all the teachings of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.












Everything is about the Dualist War between Good and Evil that has been ongoing for thousands of years. Those that appear to be on Opposing Sides are actually Fighting on the same side in the War. Happy to say Armageddon and Judgement is Fully Coming soon because we the Servants of Elohim/God are bringing it in. These are the best times to live for the Saints.













That's Absolutely True, Elohim/God is Good and Evil. Elohim/God is One and Two/Dualistic. Elohim/God Is All Things. Elohim/God Is Dualist to Bring Out Israel From the Heathen and for the Heathen to Fight Against Israel.


Yet, you are practising Carnal Religion by Eating anything you want and Drinking Alcohol like almost every person on the planet. I notice you haven't mentioned Recreational Sex and Drug Taking. I assume you are also doing those Carnal Things. These are the Devoted Religious Practices of the Beast Man. I'm encouraging a greater commitment to the Carnal Religion you are practising using examples of Marquis de Sade, Jacob Frank and Aleister Crowley.


Doubt (4/10) Movie CLIP - Supper Time (2008) HD
I respect vegans but... Romans 14:2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

Wrt Judgement..... Corinthians 4:4 It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts.

That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit, unless you are born of the spirit, then you will not see Heaven.

God's Blessing to you.
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
I respect vegans but... Romans 14:2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
Matthew 26:41

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Galatians 4:29

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.



Therefore, you believe that Vegans Faith is Weaker Faith compared to those that Eat anything they want. That's exactly how almost all the 2.2 Billion practitioners in Christendom Interpret the teaching of Romans 14:2. Those that Deny things that the Body Wants is Weaker in the Body and Stronger in the Spirit than those Not Denying the Body Eating anything they want.

Happy to say that I get Persecuted and under 24/7 Surveillance for being Much Weaker in the Body compared to Everybody surrounding me.









Wrt Judgement..... Corinthians 4:4 It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts.
Isaiah 55:8-9

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



Apart from a few hundred/thousand Elect, every person on the planet is Ignorant of Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard. This Ignorance is Inherited from the Womb. Satan's/Devil's Evil Rebellious Children are born from the Womb. In Christendom the Devil/Satan has brought down the Standard to a Cesspool and that's the reason why so-called Christianity is so popular. I have provided clues of the Lofty Standards that Elohim/God Demands.










That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit, unless you are born of the spirit, then you will not see Heaven.

God's Blessing to you.
Matthew 16:24

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.



To be Born of the Spirit You Must Deny the Flesh.

Elohim's/God's Blessing to you.
 
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jimb

Active Member
Premium Member
Matthew 26:41

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Galatians 4:29

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.



Therefore, you believe that Vegans Faith is Weaker Faith compared to those that Eat anything they want. That's exactly how almost all the 2.2 Billion practitioners in Christendom think is the teaching of Romans 14:2. Those that Deny things that the Body Wants is Weaker in the Body and Stronger in the Spirit than those Not Denying the Body Eating anything they want.

Happy to say that I get Persecuted and under 24/7 Surveillance for being Much Weaker in the Body compared to those surrounding me.










Isaiah 55:8-9

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



Apart from a few hundred/thousand Elect, every person on the planet is Ignorant of Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard. This Ignorance is Inherited from the Womb. Satan's/Devil's Evil Rebellious Children are born from the Womb. I have provided clues of the Lofty Standards that Elohim/God Demands.











Matthew 16:24

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.



To be Born of the Spirit You Must Deny the Flesh.

Elohim's/God's Blessing to you.

a) Romans 14:1-3 is quite clear and doesn't require interpretation: "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them." Therefore a vegan's faith is weaker faith compared to those that eat anything they want. Your statement that "Those that Deny things that the Body Wants is Weaker in the Body and Stronger in the Spirit than those Not Denying the Body Eating anything they want" clearly contradicts Scripture.

b) "Apart from a few hundred/thousand Elect, every person on the planet is Ignorant of Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard" is wrong. Many, many people -- far more than "a few hundred/thousand Elect" are aware of God's "incomparable" standard. There are many millions of people who are aware of God's standards (but not all are obedient).

c) While your statement that "To be Born of the Spirit You Must Deny the Flesh" isn't quite accurate. Being "born of the Spirit" is a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Matthew 26:41

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Galatians 4:29

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.



Therefore, you believe that Vegans Faith is Weaker Faith compared to those that Eat anything they want. That's exactly how almost all the 2.2 Billion practitioners in Christendom Interpret the teaching of Romans 14:2. Those that Deny things that the Body Wants is Weaker in the Body and Stronger in the Spirit than those Not Denying the Body Eating anything they want.

Happy to say that I get Persecuted and under 24/7 Surveillance for being Much Weaker in the Body compared to Everybody surrounding me
Luke 34-36

For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’

But wisdom is vindicated by all her children.”
Isaiah 55:8-9

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



Apart from a few hundred/thousand Elect, every person on the planet is Ignorant of Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard. This Ignorance is Inherited from the Womb. Satan's/Devil's Evil Rebellious Children are born from the Womb. In Christendom the Devil/Satan has brought down the Standard to a Cesspool and that's the reason why so-called Christianity is so popular. I have provided clues of the Lofty Standards that Elohim/God Demands.

Being overly concerned about the non-spiritual behavior of your fellow mortals does not help you be born of the spirit, but self sacrifice does.

Matthew 7:3 “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?

Matthew 16:24

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.



To be Born of the Spirit You Must Deny the Flesh.

Elohim's/God's Blessing to you.
Agreed, the mortal self needs to sacrifice* itself before the spirit of God, to be born of the spirit.

* This sacrifice is not the absolute end of the self, only the flesh self, its translation to spiritual self is immortal.

God's blessings to you.
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
a) Romans 14:1-3 is quite clear and doesn't require interpretation: "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them." Therefore a vegan's faith is weaker faith compared to those that eat anything they want. Your statement that "Those that Deny things that the Body Wants is Weaker in the Body and Stronger in the Spirit than those Not Denying the Body Eating anything they want" clearly contradicts Scripture.
There is an Esoteric and Exoteric meaning in All Holy Scripture. Those that Cherish Carnal Meat eating sees the Exoteric meaning. For example, a person that eats only Fish is Much Weaker in the Body compared to a person that eats Fatty Pork in that regard. A person that Refuses to Smoke is Much Weaker in the Body compared to a person that is a Chain Smoker in that regard. That is because despite knowing the Abuse/Damage to the Body they are Dominated by what their Sinful Body Craves.

Is there any record of Yeshua/Jesus eating Red Meat in the New Testament? There is only record of Yeshua/Jesus sitting down to eat Fish.











b) "Apart from a few hundred/thousand Elect, every person on the planet is Ignorant of Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard" is wrong. Many, many people -- far more than "a few hundred/thousand Elect" are aware of God's "incomparable" standard. There are many millions of people who are aware of God's standards (but not all are obedient).
The Standard that Elohim/God has shown me is not the same as what Elohim/God has shown you. That's why I Am Christian Ascetic Monk and you are the Opposite.

Where are these many millions of people? Do you think that you are one of them that knows Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard? In Christendom Elohim's/God's Highly Exalted Incomparable Standard has been brought Down to a Cesspool Hell by the Devil/Satan.













c) While your statement that "To be Born of the Spirit You Must Deny the Flesh" isn't quite accurate. Being "born of the Spirit" is a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."
You can only Deny the Flesh by the Power of Elohim/God. Everything that happens is by the Power and Will of Elohim/God. Therefore, My Boasting is in Elohim/God.
 
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Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
Luke 34-36

For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’

But wisdom is vindicated by all her children.”
Mark 2:18

18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?



Do you believe that the Son of Man is Greater than John the Baptist? If yes, are you able to explain how the Son of Man that doesn't Fast is Greater than John the Baptist that Fasts?











Being overly concerned about the non-spiritual behavior of your fellow mortals does not help you be born of the spirit, but self sacrifice does.

Matthew 7:3 “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?
It's a Christian Vocation to establish whether a Christian or Follower of Yeshua/Jesus is Really Saved. You are Not and have Never been Saved. A Real Christian is about the Salvation of Souls.


I have already removed the Log in my own eye given that I am Christian Ascetic Monk that is Celibate, Vegan, Free From Alcohol and Free From Drugs while your are having Recreational Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything you want. It appears that you are Ignorant of your Great Sins Against Elohim/God.


For example, in Christendom almost all the 2.4 Billion Christians are Dependent on Pharmaceutical Drugs and Recreational Drugs.


Recreational drug use

"...Common recreational drugs include caffeine, commonly found in coffee, tea, soft drinks, and chocolate; alcohol, commonly found in beer, wine, cocktails, and distilled spirits; nicotine, commonly found in tobacco, tobacco-based products, and electronic cigarettes; cannabis and hashish (with legality of possession varying inter/intra-nationally);..."



SPEAKING IN TONGUES (2020) | Trailer | Indie









Agreed, the mortal self needs to sacrifice* itself before the spirit of God, to be born of the spirit.

* This sacrifice is not the absolute end of the self, only the flesh self, its translation to spiritual self is immortal.

God's blessings to you.
You don't Sacrifice the Mortal Self by having Recreational Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything you want. These are Carnal Activities that War Against the Soul.
 
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Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Mark 2:18

18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?



Do you believe that the Son of Man is Greater than John the Baptist? If yes, are you able to explain how the Son of Man that doesn't Fast is Greater than John the Baptist that Fasts?












It's a Christian Vocation to establish whether a Christian or Follower of Yeshua/Jesus is Really Saved. You are Not and have Never been Saved. A Real Christian is about the Salvation of Souls.


I have already removed the Log in my own eye given that I am Christian Ascetic Monk that is Celibate, Vegan, Free From Alcohol and Free From Drugs while your are having Recreational Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything you want. It appears that you are Ignorant of your Great Sins Against Elohim/God.


For example, in Christendom almost all the 2.4 Billion Christians are Dependent on Pharmaceutical Drugs and Recreational Drugs.


Recreational drug use

"...Common recreational drugs include caffeine, commonly found in coffee, tea, soft drinks, and chocolate; alcohol, commonly found in beer, wine, cocktails, and distilled spirits; nicotine, commonly found in tobacco, tobacco-based products, and electronic cigarettes; cannabis and hashish (with legality of possession varying inter/intra-nationally);..."



SPEAKING IN TONGUES (2020) | Trailer | Indie


You don't Sacrifice the Mortal Self by having Recreational Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything you want. These are Carnal Activities that War Against the Soul.
Here is one way you can sacrifice the mortal self, a brief saying from the Sufi tradition

I meditated on God so persistently,
I finally became God.
Little by little, God drew nearer,
Slowly but slowly I passed away.

Al Rumi

And here is another way from the Chan/Dhyan tradition, read and Be!.

Since time without beginning, the nature of Awakened Mind and Emptiness has consisted of the same absolute non-duality, no birth or death, no existence or non-existence, no purity or impurity, no movement or stillness, no young or old, no inside or outside, no shape and form, no sound and color. Neither striving nor searching, one should not use intellect to understand, nor words to express Awakened Mind.
One should not think that it is a place or thing, name or form. Only then is it realized that all Awakened Mind and sentient beings possess the same natural state of great Nirvana.

Huang Po - Transmission of Mind
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
Here is one way you can sacrifice the mortal self, a brief saying from the Sufi tradition

I meditated on God so persistently,
I finally became God.
Little by little, God drew nearer,
Slowly but slowly I passed away.

Al Rumi

And here is another way from the Chan/Dhyan tradition, read and Be!.

Since time without beginning, the nature of Awakened Mind and Emptiness has consisted of the same absolute non-duality, no birth or death, no existence or non-existence, no purity or impurity, no movement or stillness, no young or old, no inside or outside, no shape and form, no sound and color. Neither striving nor searching, one should not use intellect to understand, nor words to express Awakened Mind.
One should not think that it is a place or thing, name or form. Only then is it realized that all Awakened Mind and sentient beings possess the same natural state of great Nirvana.

Huang Po - Transmission of Mind
You are using these Traditions that embrace the Natural Man. It sounds like the way you are Interpreting these Scriptures is that Change is only in the Mind while the Natural Body remains. Yet, your Mind is Natural based on how you Interpret the Holy Scriptures/Bible.

I Am Christian Gnostic practising the Real Ancient Christian Tradition that Destroys the Natural Mind and Body to Spiritual as Elohim/God instructs in the Holy Scriptures/Bible.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
You are using these Traditions that embrace the Natural Man. It sounds like the way you are Interpreting these Scriptures is that Change is only in the Mind while the Natural Body remains. Yet, your Mind is Natural based on how you Interpret the Holy Scriptures/Bible.

I Am Christian Gnostic practising the Real Ancient Christian Tradition that Destroys the Natural Mind and Body to Spiritual as Elohim/God instructs in the Holy Scriptures/Bible.
Once you have understood/interpreted the scripture that explains to you that the Kingdom of God is not of this material world, then you no longer need your ego mind to interpret it a second time, the message is 'walk the walk' now, no one else can do it for you, just do it in your own closet!

I sincerely would like you to be born of the spirit now, not in the future.
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
Once you have understood/interpreted the scripture that explains to you that the Kingdom of God is not of this material world, then you no longer need your ego mind to interpret it a second time, the message is 'walk the walk' now, no one else can do it for you, just do it in your own closet!

I sincerely would like you to be born of the spirit now, not in the future.
Genesis 14:19

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.



The teaching that the Kingdom of Elohim/God is not of this Material World is not from the Holy Scriptures/Bible. Elohim's/God's Kingdom is in Heaven and in Earth. Elohim/God is Omni.

Having Recreation Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything is Elohim's/God's Material Worldly Kingdom that you are Enjoying. You are Walking the Walk in Elohim's/God's Earthly Kingdom.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Genesis 14:19

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.



The teaching that the Kingdom of Elohim/God is not of this Material World is not from the Holy Scriptures/Bible. Elohim's/God's Kingdom is in Heaven and in Earth. Elohim/God is Omni.

Having Recreation Sex, Taking Drugs, Drinking Alcohol and Eating anything is Elohim's/God's Material Worldly Kingdom that you are Enjoying. You are Walking the Walk in Elohim's/God's Earthly Kingdom.
Dear Etihoenai, it is about you realizing God, not anyone else.

You please do whatever you sincerely understand is required of you. And do it in your closet, it does not require you to tell others what they should do. Do you understand that God is the source of all people, not just you, it is up to each person to realize what and who they are.
 
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