Argentinean presidential election... an anarchist wins! (?)

[an anarchist]

I don't follow politics anymore from anarchist news sources so I can't give my take on the recent presidential election in Argentina in depth.

But I do know that I enjoyed watching ABC News anchor force the words "Anarcho Capitalist" out of her mouth when describing the winner of the Presidential election in Argentina. Of course, "Anarcho Capitalist" was mixed in with a sentence painting him as an absolute loon. "More extreme than Trump!" the news people said. He gets his economic advice from his dead dogs ghosts!

I do not know if he is a loon or not, but I do know that a president openly touting anarcho-capitalism is going to suffer from character assassination from the various states and their propaganda machines.

I made this thread but I'm not really asking for your thoughts on the guy. Feel free to share though of course. Just, the reason I'm not asking is because I know you guys get your news from "trusted" news sources and not "conspiracy" ones, plus y'all a bunch of socialists to top it off, so I already know you think the guy is just another Trump.

To be fair I don't know squat about the guy. Is he really an anarchist? Idk, but I'm excited to see what he will do!

 

[metis]

The world is going bonkers.

 

[Eddi]

He wants to ban abortion

Doesn't sound very anarchic to me

 

[LuisDantas]

Milei is very much a loon, and quite possibly unhealthy in more than one way. He recently gave indications of auditory hallucinations during an interview.

Some of that is probably just for show. But I think that he is genuinely a madman - heck, he actually campaigned with an actual chainsaw at hand. His vice isn't necessarily all that better either; she went on record just a few days ago saying outright that dictatorship is necessary for Argentina to find its way ahead.

Frankly, at this point I have to assume that the Argentinians are well aware that at least two of its non-Peronist Presidents since the end of the military dictatorship did not finish their terms due and are couting on Milei being stopped before he promotes too much harm.

Being a Brazilian and still seeing Bolsonarism postponing its very well deserved death, I find their choice incredibly foolish at best. He is even worse than Trump or even Bolsonaro.

On their defense, the Argentinians are all out of sane ways ahead; their economy is both incredibly rigid and incredibily fragile, and has been for decades.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't follow politics anymore from anarchist news sources so I can't give my take on the recent presidential election in Argentina in depth.

But I do know that I enjoyed watching ABC News anchor force the words "Anarcho Capitalist" out of her mouth when describing the winner of the Presidential election in Argentina. Of course, "Anarcho Capitalist" was mixed in with a sentence painting him as an absolute loon. "More extreme than Trump!" the news people said. He gets his economic advice from his dead dogs ghosts!

I do not know if he is a loon or not, but I do know that a president openly touting anarcho-capitalism is going to suffer from character assassination from the various states and their propaganda machines.

I made this thread but I'm not really asking for your thoughts on the guy. Feel free to share though of course. Just, the reason I'm not asking is because I know you guys get your news from "trusted" news sources and not "conspiracy" ones, plus y'all a bunch of socialists to top it off, so I already know you think the guy is just another Trump.

To be fair I don't know squat about the guy. Is he really an anarchist? Idk, but I'm excited to see what he will do!

That's the key word. What's he going to do?

The left loses because they are only talk, deliver nothing, and refuses to acknowledge they lost because they are the actual problem that created opposition towards themselves, but will still blame their opponents for it.

It's basically the same in the US.

 

[Bthoth]

The sideburns cracked me up.

 

[an anarchist]

He wants to ban abortion

Doesn't sound very anarchic to me

Abortion is one of those things where anarchists are divided on. Whether or not abortion is a violation of a person's individual liberty and right to life is the question. And of course the argument devolves into whether a fetus is human being or not. So there are anarchists that are both pro and against abortion. I am vehemently against abortion, as an anarchist. But I don't think that there should be an existing government to enforce that.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Milei is very much a loon, and quite possibly unhealthy in more than one way. He recently gave indications of auditory hallucinations during an interview.

Some of that is probably just for show. But I think that he is genuinely a madman - heck, he actually campaigned with an actual chainsaw at hand. His vice isn't necessarily all that better either; she went on record just a few days ago saying outright that dictatorship is necessary for Argentina to find its way ahead.

Frankly, at this point I have to assume that the Argentinians are well aware that at least two of its non-Peronist Presidents since the end of the military dictatorship did not finish their terms due and are couting on Milei being stopped before he promotes too much harm.

Being a Brazilian and still seeing Bolsonarism postponing its very well deserved death, I find their choice incredibly foolish at best. He is even worse than Trump or even Bolsonaro.

In your view, is it likely that his election was largely propelled by desperation due to Argentina's experience of hyperinflation?

 

[metis]

The left loses because they are only talk, deliver nothing, and refuses to acknowledge they lost because they are the actual problem that created opposition towards themselves but will still blame their opponents.

It's basically the same in the US.

The above is coming from the essence of a one-trick pony. Maybe consider studying and trying to think much more objectively.

 

[LuisDantas]

In your view, is it likely that his election was largely propelled by desperation due to Argentina's experience of hyperinflation?

I am counting on that. Admittedly, mostly because the alternatives are much worse and scare me out of my mind.

But also because that is usual for Argentina at this point. For a while back in the 1980s and 1990s they and us Brazilians were playing an unhealthy dispute of underperforming each other's economy. There is no obvious way out of their dilemma.

Argentina is both a proud country and very much a broken one. It has remarkable debts while also having impressive natural resources. A huge amount of its population is in poverty, and the most significant employer is by far the government.

All true solutions to this sorry state of things are almost by definition painful and traumatic.

 

[Eddi]

Abortion is one of those things where anarchists are divided on. Whether or not abortion is a violation of a person's individual liberty and right to life is the question. And of course the argument devolves into whether a fetus is human being or not. So there are anarchists that are both pro and against abortion. I am vehemently against abortion, as an anarchist. But I don't think that there should be an existing government to enforce that.

I always assumed that anarchists were extremely libertarian and have always associated that with being pro choice

I thought that in anarchism the individual is sovereign over themselves and is the basic unit of human organisation?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Abortion is one of those things where anarchists are divided on. Whether or not abortion is a violation of a person's individual liberty and right to life is the question. And of course the argument devolves into whether a fetus is human being or not. So there are anarchists that are both pro and against abortion. I am vehemently against abortion, as an anarchist. But I don't think that there should be an existing government to enforce that.

Hey, how about this -- we ban abortion, but if the mother dies in child-birth, we charge the newborn with murder!

 

[Estro Felino]

In the land of the desaparecidos, where Argentinians betrayed their own brethren to spread the doors of the country to ravenous wolves, stealing resources and monetary sovereignty....

Argentina could be the second world power, after Brazil.
And yet.,..



PS: Really guys...
he looks like one of the characters from Patito Feo.

 

[an anarchist]

I always assumed that anarchists were extremely libertarian and have always associated that with being pro choice

I thought that in anarchism the individual is sovereign over themselves and is the basic unit of human organisation?

And many extreme libertarians will tell you they are prolife. Its just one of those divisive issues ya know?

 

[Twilight Hue]

The above is coming from the essence of a one-trick pony. Maybe consider studying and trying to think much more objectively.

People want action and results, and if it dosent happen which it typically dosent, the opposition typically wins.

You know full well on how it flip flops back and forth like that, because of those very reasons, if your all talk and no results, your going to lose next time around.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And many extreme libertarians will tell you they are prolife. Its just one of those divisive issues ya know?

It's a shame whenever a countries elections are decided entirely on just one or two things.

 

[metis]

People want action and results, and if it dosent happen which it typically dosent, the opposition typically wins.

You know full well on how it flip flops back and forth like that, because of those very reasons, if your all talk and no results, your going to lose next time around.

Argentina has had more than a fair share of issues dealing with their support of fascists and neo-fascists. So many people want simple answers to complex questions and/or they get swayed by the words of populists, and this is a worldwide problem.

Maybe read "Strongmen: From Mussolini to Trump" by Ruth Ben Ghiat, who is a NYU professor who specializes in fascist movements.

 

[Eddi]

And many extreme libertarians will tell you they are prolife.

Prolife has always sounded rather authoritarian to me, too authoritarian for me

And I'm no anarchist

But evidently it is not a libertarian vs authoritarian thing then......

Every day's a school day on RF

 

[an anarchist]

Prolife has always sounded rather authoritarian to me, too authoritarian for me

And I'm no anarchist

But evidently it is not a libertarian vs authoritarian thing then......

Every day's a school day on RF

I would say it is a authoritarian vs libertarian argument. But it is argued both ways. The abortion discussion is very nuanced and intricate. Even if you view a fetus as a human, some anarchist in that position would still be pro choice. But for some, they don't view the fetus as human so it is an easy question.
Whether you infringe on the unborn babies freedom to live or the mothers freedom of choice, such a conundrum for those who say freedom is absolute

 

[Estro Felino]

Argentina has had more than a fair share of issues dealing with their support of fascists and neo-fascists. So many people want simple answers to complex questions and/or they get swayed by the words of populists, and this is a worldwide problem.

Maybe read "Strongmen: From Mussolini to Trump" by Ruth Ben Ghiat, who is a NYU professor who specializes in fascist movements.

Are you referring to Jorge Videla, the Argentinian dictator who planned the Argentinian genocide, just to obey the orders of some demoniac elites from the US?