Tenebras Aeterna
Theistic Satanist
I am new here and greet you, wanderers of darkness!
First about myself. I have described myself as a theistic Satanist for about a decade with a growing interest in Setianism and the ToS. I made most of my spiritual experiences in night and darkness, with deep introspection, often while listening to music. This may be a weak ritual and I’ve done some real rituals, but I think I haven’t done ritual MAGIC yet. So, even if I’m following the dark path since many years, I see myself just at the beginning.
I’ve got some questions about Setianism in general and the goal of it. Let’s begin!
1. Of course, it is important to take time for LHP. Like a Christian who goes to church every Sunday. My impression of Setianism is daily practice and persistent discipline, which in contrast is more reminiscent of a Muslim who prays five times a day. To what extent is such a comparison appropriate? Is Setianism the right thing for someone who don’t want to practice every single day?
2. How important is Crowley or Magic in general? Can someone be a Setian without Ritual Magic?
3. Undoubtedly, mathematics is wonderful. Calculation not inevitably. How well versed in mathematics do a Setian need to be?
4. Setianism repeatedly speaks of inanimate nature, in contrast to which stands isolated intelligence. To describe a bacterium, a plant, the planet or the universe as inanimate seems untrue to me. Like we see an ant as strictly instinctive, an alien superior to humanity could see us in the same way. Linguists assume that aliens would not be able to detect any significant difference in our various languages because they are similar in structure and production.
Various quantum physicists tend to reject a dead nature and oppose materialism in many respects. Hans-Peter Dürr, theoretical son of Werner Heisenberg, sees “mind” as the driving force in the universe and tends to take a pantheistic viewpoint. In essence, he does not differentiate between you and me; in his opinion, this is an illusion. Like two waves that see themselves as something separate but are in fact the same ocean.
Part of the ocean is also culture and language, for example. We can talk about objective reality and understand what we mean, even if the world looks different from the standpoint of another wave. I interpret the reasoning, recognizing element as isolated intelligence. However, it is conceivable that the ocean wants to look at itself from an infinite variety of points of view, wants to live, wants do destroy, wants to create, wants to improve itself, within every single atom.
To simplify, let’s call this ocean “God”. If we do, then I am God, and everything outside of me is also God. In a way, you, your appearance, your words etc. are/become realized in myself. In a way, if I am non-existent, you’re also non-existent.
This is more complicate with subjectivity. Your subjectivity is not “me”, but very much an “I”. Is this “I” not the Prince of Darkness itself? Then, what is the difference from the ocean, and from what is the intelligence isolated? And from this point of view, wouldn't it be self-betrayal to deny the self to be this ocean / God, and work against it?
I'm not really familiar with Kabbalah and Qliphoth. If I understand it correctly, a Qliphoth is an encapsulated bubble; a wave, so to speak, that wants to remain a wave. If this is called a Qliphoth may be false, but I understood this principle as the goal of a Setian. Am I making a mistake in my thinking?
And what are your thoughts?
Hail!
First about myself. I have described myself as a theistic Satanist for about a decade with a growing interest in Setianism and the ToS. I made most of my spiritual experiences in night and darkness, with deep introspection, often while listening to music. This may be a weak ritual and I’ve done some real rituals, but I think I haven’t done ritual MAGIC yet. So, even if I’m following the dark path since many years, I see myself just at the beginning.
I’ve got some questions about Setianism in general and the goal of it. Let’s begin!
1. Of course, it is important to take time for LHP. Like a Christian who goes to church every Sunday. My impression of Setianism is daily practice and persistent discipline, which in contrast is more reminiscent of a Muslim who prays five times a day. To what extent is such a comparison appropriate? Is Setianism the right thing for someone who don’t want to practice every single day?
2. How important is Crowley or Magic in general? Can someone be a Setian without Ritual Magic?
3. Undoubtedly, mathematics is wonderful. Calculation not inevitably. How well versed in mathematics do a Setian need to be?
4. Setianism repeatedly speaks of inanimate nature, in contrast to which stands isolated intelligence. To describe a bacterium, a plant, the planet or the universe as inanimate seems untrue to me. Like we see an ant as strictly instinctive, an alien superior to humanity could see us in the same way. Linguists assume that aliens would not be able to detect any significant difference in our various languages because they are similar in structure and production.
Various quantum physicists tend to reject a dead nature and oppose materialism in many respects. Hans-Peter Dürr, theoretical son of Werner Heisenberg, sees “mind” as the driving force in the universe and tends to take a pantheistic viewpoint. In essence, he does not differentiate between you and me; in his opinion, this is an illusion. Like two waves that see themselves as something separate but are in fact the same ocean.
Part of the ocean is also culture and language, for example. We can talk about objective reality and understand what we mean, even if the world looks different from the standpoint of another wave. I interpret the reasoning, recognizing element as isolated intelligence. However, it is conceivable that the ocean wants to look at itself from an infinite variety of points of view, wants to live, wants do destroy, wants to create, wants to improve itself, within every single atom.
To simplify, let’s call this ocean “God”. If we do, then I am God, and everything outside of me is also God. In a way, you, your appearance, your words etc. are/become realized in myself. In a way, if I am non-existent, you’re also non-existent.
This is more complicate with subjectivity. Your subjectivity is not “me”, but very much an “I”. Is this “I” not the Prince of Darkness itself? Then, what is the difference from the ocean, and from what is the intelligence isolated? And from this point of view, wouldn't it be self-betrayal to deny the self to be this ocean / God, and work against it?
I'm not really familiar with Kabbalah and Qliphoth. If I understand it correctly, a Qliphoth is an encapsulated bubble; a wave, so to speak, that wants to remain a wave. If this is called a Qliphoth may be false, but I understood this principle as the goal of a Setian. Am I making a mistake in my thinking?
And what are your thoughts?
Hail!