Is It Reasonable to Believe Gods Don't Exist?

[Brian2]

It's same reasons for which Santa or the Easter Bunny is applied.

We know where it all comes from , everything, and it's all clearly derived from people's imaginations and creativity.

It's easy to see that God doesn't exist because it's known and established that the entirety of theology is completely sourced and originated back to humans and not the rest of the universe, which is completely and entirely indifferent of the matter with absolutely no indication that a deity was ever there nor will be.

That is at least an honest reply.
But who knows and has established that all theology comes from humans and that none of it is real or has really happened in the experience of people and in history?
Those who do not believe in god have decided that for themselves but you should not let them decide that for you.
That would be one of the 1001 logical fallacies I get told that theists use.

 

[Brian2]

That is a moving goal post that every kicker would miss. For example: Judaism evolved to christianity to islam. Same god for all three

How did Judaism evolve to Christianity to Islam?

 

[Heyo]

That is at least an honest reply.
But who knows and has established that all theology comes from humans and that none of it is real or has really happened in the experience of people and in history?

When most established religions have formed, there was no idea of science and of repeated experiments. Religions that have formed later, are known to be rectally contrived by a single person and not based on (independently repeated) observations. So we have no account of objective observation leading to religion.
An exemption to that are cargo cults which are built on objective observation but with a mistaken interpretation of the observed reality.

Those who do not believe in god have decided that for themselves but you should not let them decide that for you.
That would be one of the 1001 logical fallacies I get told that theists use.

I urge anyone looking for a god to not believe what people tell then to be observations but look for those observations themselves - and try to repeat them and let them be verified by independent observers. I'm pretty sure that no gods will be found using that method.

 

[Brian2]

When most established religions have formed, there was no idea of science and of repeated experiments. Religions that have formed later, are known to be rectally contrived by a single person and not based on (independently repeated) observations. So we have no account of objective observation leading to religion.
An exemption to that are cargo cults which are built on objective observation but with a mistaken interpretation of the observed reality.

Science and repeated experiments cannot test for the truth of events in history.

I urge anyone looking for a god to not believe what people tell then to be observations but look for those observations themselves - and try to repeat them and let them be verified by independent observers. I'm pretty sure that no gods will be found using that method.

Again, we cannot test for the truth of events in history this way. We also cannot test for Gods that way.

 

[Heyo]

Science and repeated experiments cannot test for the truth of events in history.

That is right. Unless there are remnants like bones we'll never know if there were gods on Earth in the past. We know there were dinosaurs, as they have left bones. But we also know that, aside from modern birds, there are no dinosaurs on Earth today, so we don't have to fear them (or worship them).

Again, we cannot test for the truth of events in history this way. We also cannot test for Gods that way.

We can test for all kinds of gods that have falsifiable attributes. The problem with gods is that there are so many different types that there is no way to rule them all out.

But at least we have the reasonable assumption that the universe is orderly. I.e. when we have ruled ruled out what definitively can't happen today because of laws of nature, we are pretty sure it didn't happen in the past or anywhere else.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is at least an honest reply.
But who knows and has established that all theology comes from humans and that none of it is real or has really happened in the experience of people and in history?
Those who do not believe in god have decided that for themselves but you should not let them decide that for you.
That would be one of the 1001 logical fallacies I get told that theists use.

One thing I tell theists is to let God tell me directly, and not them telling me God is out and about in the non cerebral realm.

So far it's been soundly and definitely moot firmly establishing absolutely nothing is there in the waking universe.

 

[Bthoth]

How did Judaism evolve to Christianity to Islam?

All religions are man made, that is the most succinct answer to 'how'.

See bible and koran to see for yourself 'how' each evolved from the previous. When you read the 2 additional sets of writings, then you will see for yourself.

What is even more interesting, is that judaism is from previous cultures too.

Try to skip any idea that a single religion is perfect or the last word as that is nonsense to even consider.

 

[Brian2]

But at least we have the reasonable assumption that the universe is orderly. I.e. when we have ruled ruled out what definitively can't happen today because of laws of nature, we are pretty sure it didn't happen in the past or anywhere else.

If we assume that no miracles happened then we can dismiss any historical document with miracles in it and we can even dismiss any creation stories.
That is something that science might do in searching for naturalistic results, but it does not tell us that the naturalistic answers are definitely what happened.

 

[Brian2]

One thing I tell theists is to let God tell me directly, and not them telling me God is out and about in the non cerebral realm.

So far it's been soundly and definitely moot firmly establishing absolutely nothing is there in the waking universe.

It has not been silent for others, so it does not firmly establich absolutely nothing is there in the waking universe.

 

[Brian2]

All religions are man made, that is the most succinct answer to 'how'.

See bible and koran to see for yourself 'how' each evolved from the previous. When you read the 2 additional sets of writings, then you will see for yourself.

What is even more interesting, is that judaism is from previous cultures too.

Try to skip any idea that a single religion is perfect or the last word as that is nonsense to even consider.

I've heard all about the presumption of copying from other cultures. It's no doubt where academia has to go in an era where accepting the possibility of God is laughable in academia, but it is just a presumption and certainly cannot lead to finding a possible true religion.

 

[Heyo]

If we assume that no miracles happened then we can dismiss any historical document with miracles in it and we can even dismiss any creation stories.
That is something that science might do in searching for naturalistic results, but it does not tell us that the naturalistic answers are definitely what happened.

It tells us that people were deeply irrational then - and little has changed for many.

 

[Aupmanyav]

If we assume that no miracles happened then we can dismiss any historical document with miracles in it and we can even dismiss any creation stories.

We should. Should we believe that Aesop's fables are true?

 

[Brian2]

It tells us that people were deeply irrational then - and little has changed for many.

If people experience things that are generally impossible in real life, they would see them as miracles and that does not mean that they were deeply irrational.

 

[Brian2]

We should. Should we believe that Aesop's fables are true?

I don't think that Aesop's Fables were meant to be true stories, but you can believe them if you want.

 

[stvdv]

Millions of people believe a God or Gods exist for whatever reason.
Isn't just as reasonable for someone to believe that no Gods exist for whatever personal reasons they happen to have as well?

Yes, as it is called Belief...

reasonable for both groups?
God is said to be beyond the mind, hence reasonable is not the proper word in this context

People say and claim lots of things about God as factual, however they go about justifying to themselves to make that claim.
How is it any different from making the claim that God doesn't exist as a matter of fact?

Belief is personal, hence I never debate about whether or not God exists. IF someone provides a solid definition of God (all agree on) then I can say something. Alas God is beyond the mind, hence beyond definitions. Hence evangelizing seems so strange to me

Joe claims God exists. Charlie claims God doesn't exist. Is there any wrong being done by either?

Of course no wrong, just claims about beliefs

 

[Bthoth]

I've heard all about the presumption of copying from other cultures.

Presumption? The bible itself is from other cultures. ie... judaism

It's no doubt where academia has to go in an era where accepting the possibility of God is laughable in academia, but it is just a presumption and certainly cannot lead to finding a possible true religion.

Which god? I accept that man has created many gods. Jimmy Page was an English guitar god and Eddy Van Halen was an American Guitar God. Academia have long past accepted that gods exist in many cultures.

No such thing as a religion that is true and universally accepted, just look into the divide between the roman catholics and church of england. The sick divide that disgusts me is how the christians hate the muslims. Same god and same base stories but WOW was a crock of hatred and death over beliefs.

 

[Bthoth]

If we assume that no miracles happened then we can dismiss any historical document with miracles in it and we can even dismiss any creation stories.
That is something that science might do in searching for naturalistic results, but it does not tell us that the naturalistic answers are definitely what happened.

Naturally, man created the stories. For example, you created the assumptive description.

Do you believe in the miracle of birth? Do you believe that gajendra was born as an elephant or will you dismiss the historical documents?
Gajendra has many historical recordings.

 

[Brian2]

Presumption? The bible itself is from other cultures. ie... judaism

Jesus was prophesied in the Hebrew scriptures. That is not copying from other religions.

No such thing as a religion that is true and universally accepted, just look into the divide between the roman catholics and church of england. The sick divide that disgusts me is how the christians hate the muslims. Same god and same base stories but WOW was a crock of hatred and death over beliefs.

Yes human Christians have divided Christ and this is recognised more and more among Christians.
Islam is a product of a false prophet but the death and hatred over beliefs is inexcusable in my eyes even if God can forgive.

 

[Brian2]

Naturally, man created the stories. For example, you created the assumptive description.

What?

Do you believe in the miracle of birth? Do you believe that gajendra was born as an elephant or will you dismiss the historical documents?
Gajendra has many historical recordings.

I don't believe the stories of Gajendra. Do you think that because I believe the gospels that I should believe all miracle stories?

 

[Bthoth]

Jesus was prophesied in the Hebrew scriptures. That is not copying from other religions.

Jesus was not prophesied in hebrew anything. A messiah................ yes. But not a word on Jesus (name). Just as jesus' last name is not christ. The term is greek

Yes human Christians have divided Christ and this is recognised more and more among Christians.

Yup christians have divided into many flavors. About like an LBGT flag but not a single one can divide the christos / Chi Rho

Christians are a tough crowd with a plethora of opinions. Christians are not the last word and nor is bible (see revelations)

Islam is a product of a false prophet but the death and hatred over beliefs is inexcusable in my eyes even if God can forgive.

Are you suggesting that any prophet has ever been perfect. For example. Moses. Used in both Islam and Christianity but was born and raised in Egypt which had the commandments before any moses even existed. And per moses, per torah, he lived and was raised in the house of pharoah. Talking to god was as easy as coming home for dinner conversations.