Does your religion have end-time prophesies?

[IndigoChild5559]

Since you mention that, I wonder how many Jews thought the Romans would desecrate and virtually destroy the temple in Jerusalem in the 1st century C.E..

I'm no scholar, but I know that the Jews at the time of the second rebellion believed that Bar Kochba was the messiah. Even Rabbi Akiva, who led the Sanhedrin, believed he was the messiah. Very sad.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Some time ago I remember a Jewish person telling me that if M. Schneerson wasn't the messiah then there is no messiah. He died after that, but in good sense I wonder if there are still followers hoping he will be resurrected?

I don't understand the reasoning that "If the Rebbe Shneerson isn't the messiah, then maybe there is no messiah." It's completely illogical. Perhaps it just speaks to the tremendous feeling of disillusionment they knew they would feel if they found out they were wrong?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Have you heard of, read, or listened to anything by Amir Tsarfati? He lives in Israel, was raised Jewish, is a believer in Jesus as Messiah now…so maybe you’re not interested.

No, I am not interested in the thoughts of apostates. I will however say a prayer that he repents and returns to the God of his People.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm no scholar, but I know that the Jews at the time of the second rebellion believed that Bar Kochba was the messiah. Even Rabbi Akiva, who led the Sanhedrin, believed he was the messiah. Very sad.

Oh yes, I remember the Bar Kochba incident. Hmm, interesting about the Rabbi Akiva who led the Sanhedrin.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't understand the reasoning that "If the Rebbe Shneerson isn't the messiah, then maybe there is no messiah." It's completely illogical. Perhaps it just speaks to the tremendous feeling of disillusionment they knew they would feel if they found out they were wrong?

If I remember correctly, this family had a son who died and they were hoping the resurrection would happen during Messiah's presence. And were hoping M. Schneerson would be the foretold messiah.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If I remember correctly, this family had a son who died and they were hoping the resurrection would happen during Messiah's presence. And were hoping M. Schneerson would be the foretold messiah.

It's kind of a given that many religious people have unrealistic expectations of what God will do for them. I confess that for much of my life, I truly believed that God was watching out for me. Life, however, eventually succeeded in teaching me that God was not in fact going to protect me either from the sins of others, or natural calamities. Life is suffering.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's kind of a given that many religious people have unrealistic expectations of what God will do for them. I confess that for much of my life, I truly believed that God was watching out for me. Life, however, eventually succeeded in teaching me that God was not in fact going to protect me either from the sins of others, or natural calamities. Life is suffering.

I understand. Certainly there is much suffering in life. But then, there is good news that God will grant peace and happiness to mankind. Which in part involves a resurrection, as Maimonides declared as well. And that thought gives some of us hope that can help mitigate the suffering.

 

[InChrist]

No, I am not interested in the thoughts of apostates. I will however say a prayer that he repents and returns to the God of his People.

Okay, understandable. But what if Jesus/Yeshua actually is the God of his people, the God of Israel?

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't understand the reasoning that "If the Rebbe Shneerson isn't the messiah, then maybe there is no messiah." It's completely illogical. Perhaps it just speaks to the tremendous feeling of disillusionment they knew they would feel if they found out they were wrong?

I understand. These people were not particularly interested in learning the Bible or the tanach but leaning on their emotions and hopes.

 

[YoursTrue]

Okay, understandable. But what if Jesus/Yeshua actually is the God of his people, the God of Israel?

The word God can be used in various ways. Just saying... don't want to get into a debate about this right now.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Okay, understandable. But what if Jesus/Yeshua actually is the God of his people, the God of Israel?

Impossible. The God of Abraham is not a man.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man...nor a son of man.
1 Samuel 15:29 for he is not a man
Hosea 11:9 I am God and not a man
Job 9:32 For he is not a man

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I understand. These people were not particularly interested in learning the Bible or the tanach but leaning on their emotions and hopes.

Oh, I think you greatly misunderstand them. The serious Chabadniks that I've known spent hours and hours every week studying Torah and Talmud.

 

[InChrist]

Impossible. The God of Abraham is not a man.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man...nor a son of man.
1 Samuel 15:29 for he is not a man
Hosea 11:9 I am God and not a man
Job 9:32 For he is not a man

I appreciate you listing those scriptures. They do say God is not a man, but they don’t actually say that God cannot dwell in human flesh, do they? Those scriptures were given before the time of Christ. I certainly don’t think God, the Creator of heaven and earth is merely a human, but I am willing to accept that if God chose to become flesh for a purpose He could do so. The NT scriptures present Jesus Christ as the unique fully God/fully human Being in existence, certainly not a mere man.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I appreciate you listing those scriptures. They do say God is not a man, but they don’t actually say that God cannot dwell in human flesh, do they.

Tomato, Tomahto

Those scriptures were given before the time of Christ. I certainly don’t think God, the Creation of heaven and earth is merely a human, but I am willing to accept that if God chose to become flesh for a purpose He could do so. The NT scriptures present Jesus Christ as the unique fully God/fully human, certainly not a mere man.

You believe this because, when the New Testament contradicts the Tanakh you opt for the New Testament.

But there is a problem with that. Without the authority of the Tanakh, there would be no New Testament.

 

[InChrist]

Tomato, Tomahto


You believe this because, when the New Testament contradicts the Tanakh you opt for the New Testament.

But there is a problem with that. Without the authority of the Tanakh, there would be no New Testament.

I agree that the NT rests on the authority of the Tanakh. I don’t agree that the NT contradicts the Tanakh, but I don’t think we should argue about it.

 

[syo]

does your religion even have end-time prophesies?

yes.

 

[CG Didymus]

Judaism has prophecies of a Messianic age in the last days. It would be a time of worldwide peace.

How big a part of the Messianic Age is worldwide peace? Because, if that is something the Messiah will establish during his lifetime, then no one, Jesus, the Baha'i prophet, or anyone is the true Messiah.

The Christians get around that by saying that when Jesus returns, then he will establish peace. And the Baha'is get around it be saying that it's a process that was put in place by their prophet, but it will take a long time, and depends on people, to make it a reality.

 

[CG Didymus]

I agree that the NT rests on the authority of the Tanakh. I don’t agree that the NT contradicts the Tanakh, but I don’t think we should argue about it.

I don't see it as a big problem for Christianity that the NT would contradict the Judaism and its Scriptures. Something as basic as the laws surrounding the Sabbath are a good example. Most Christians don't worry about the Sabbath. Most don't care which day and what they should or shouldn't do on the Sabbath.

However, to a Jew, wanting to follow their laws, what are they supposed to do? It's typical that a Jew that converts to Christianity is no longer "bound" by the Law. But all that means to me is that the two are very different religions. From a Jewish perspective, I can see how the NT and Christianity do contradict the Jewish Scriptures. Oh, another one, Jesus is God? That's something very important to many Christians. But to a Jew? More of a deal breaker.

If we then look at the relationship between Christianity and Islam, it is a similar situation. Does the Quran contradict both the Jewish Bible and the Christian NT? Jews and Christians would probably say "yes".

 

[CG Didymus]

Hang on CG, the old world order is being rolled up. Baha'u'llah has asked for you to consider.

"How long will humanity persist in its waywardness? How long will injustice continue? How long is chaos and confusion to reign amongst men? How long will discord agitate the face of society?… The winds of despair are, alas, blowing from every direction, and the strife that divideth and afflicteth the human race is daily increasing. The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appeareth to be lamentably defective. I beseech God, exalted be His glory, that He may graciously awaken the peoples of the earth, may grant that the end of their conduct may be profitable unto them, and aid them to accomplish that which beseemeth their station..."

“Soon,” Baha’u’llah also declared, “will the present day order be rolled up and a new one spread out in its stead.”

Here are some prophecies for everyone to consider.

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Stay well, stay happy, stay safe. Regards Tony

Thanks Tony, I'm glad at least one Baha'i took the time to respond. Of course, I don't see a clear progression from one religion to another as the Baha'is do. And I don't see a very strong fulfillment of the prophecies that have been taken from the other religions and used to show how the Baha'i Faith has fulfilled them. Most, to me, are too vague.

But definitely, things sure seem to be getting worse.

 

[InChrist]

I don't see it as a big problem for Christianity that the NT would contradict the Judaism and its Scriptures. Something as basic as the laws surrounding the Sabbath are a good example. Most Christians don't worry about the Sabbath. Most don't care which day and what they should or shouldn't do on the Sabbath.

However, to a Jew, wanting to follow their laws, what are they supposed to do? It's typical that a Jew that converts to Christianity is no longer "bound" by the Law. But all that means to me is that the two are very different religions. From a Jewish perspective, I can see how the NT and Christianity do contradict the Jewish Scriptures. Oh, another one, Jesus is God? That's something very important to many Christians. But to a Jew? More of a deal breaker.

If we then look at the relationship between Christianity and Islam, it is a similar situation. Does the Quran contradict both the Jewish Bible and the Christian NT? Jews and Christians would probably say "yes".

It’s very understandable that a Jew practicing Judaism would see a contradiction. I don’t though because I believe God has chosen to speak to humanity through progressive revelation of Himself and by providing more information over time…

God, who at various times and in different ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds (Hebrews 1:1,2).

You may find the following excerpt and linked article interesting…

“Progressive revelation does not mean to say that the Old Testament is somehow less true than the New Testament. The progress was not from untruth to truth - it was from less information to more full information. It merely states that the revelation found in the New Testament is complete. Jude wrote.

I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which has once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3).

The faith has now been once and for all delivered. Nothing needs to be added to it and nothing should be subtracted from it.

The New Revelation Did Not Contradict The Old
It is important to understand that progressive revelation does not contradict previous revelations but rather clarifies and develops the things previously revealed. Jesus said the Law would be entirely fulfilled, not broken.”

What Is Progressive Revelation?

The things that God revealed to humanity were not all given at once. His revelation was given in stages. This is known as progressive revelation. The Apostle

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