Ben Avraham
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So, you probably disagree that the Decalogue is for the Jews only and the Seven Noahide laws are for the Gentiles?
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Is Christ the Beast
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So, you probably disagree that the Decalogue is for the Jews only and the Seven Noahide laws are for the Gentiles?
Ben Avraham
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This is the most foolish thing I have ever heard of; no offense meant!
i believe the ideas were enculturated from other belief systems and manifested in another way.
like the idea of a house, an infinite number of physical houses can be realized but there is only the one concept/idea
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Well...no, I would say not. Jesus, doesn't seem to be the beast, because the beast is inherently 'active' in negativity for the unholy one/s/. Unlike Jesus, who is a positive aspect of the Godhead. All things were created through Jesus, does that sound like the ''beast'', to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem,_Tamil_Nadu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankaracharya_Temple
http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/apac/photocoll/k/019pho0000981s1u00002000.html
http://ocoy.org/original-christianity/the-christ-of-india/
india has played a huge role in historical influence across the east and mid-east.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Maurya_Empire
liken it to the idea of nachash vs nehushtan
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/n/nachash.html
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/n/nehushtan.html
all things are created of God and jesus was begotten. God wasn't. God is omnipresent. the beast once was, now is not, yet will come. God can't be sent; if God is omnipresent.
Love is a circle whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. I AM that i am
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
No, 'begotten' doesn't mean what people think it means. ''Jesus"" in Spirit form, was at Creation, hence, we don't assume some time period of previous non-existence.
Aside from that, does it matter if the ''beast'' is begotten? Why would Jesus even be the beast?
everyone is created of the Spirit; which is eternal. Jesus is not an exception. God is not a respecter of persons.
what has been will be again.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
energy cannot be created or destroyed, it is simply transformed.
E = m(c*c)
information cannot be created or destroyed, it is simply transferred.
procreate
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H3205&t=KJV
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=begotten&allowed_in_frame=0
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=beget&allowed_in_frame=0
It isn't even that he has to be transformed...... Jeh Sous = Lord of the beasts (John, Paul and Simon the stone [petros]) Vs Yeshua (synoptic gospels).
There are multiple prophecies within Jewish (Armilus), Islamic (Dajjal) and Christian (Anti-Christ) of a false representation of the Messiah...
jesus is the false messiah taught by the Pharisees, that he came as an atoning sacrifice, and the world has already been deceived at least 1500 years.
Whereas Yeshua's teachings within the synoptic gospels are ignore by many, as being part of the same doctrine.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
It isn't even that he has to be transformed...... Jeh Sous = Lord of the beasts (John, Paul and Simon the stone [petros]) Vs Yeshua (synoptic gospels).
There are multiple prophecies within Jewish (Armilus), Islamic (Dajjal) and Christian (Anti-Christ) of a false representation of the Messiah...
jesus is the false messiah taught by the Pharisees, that he came as an atoning sacrifice, and the world has already been deceived at least 1500 years.
Whereas Yeshua's teachings within the synoptic gospels are ignore by many, as being part of the same doctrine.
kenosis
Philippians 2:7-9
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
God is distinct from him until he changed.
he wasn't recognized as the Son until the Spirit descended upon him
it makes a difference
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Philippian 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
someone can't save someone else from self, blasphemy against the Spirit is unforgivable except by SELF.
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the position is that energy has the potential to be realized and the realized has the potential to be energized.
they are one and the same, manifesting in different forms. this is why the Spirit counts for everything and the form as nothing.
impermance or anicca - anitya
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
This doesn't mean that Jesus is 'the beast'. The beast, can be a completely different entity, from the trinity. Unlike some other religions, there can be independent demons etc.
the bible dictates that all men are beasts, all, not some, not all but one, but all.
self-awareness
Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
man was formed as a mound/heap of earth.
Genesis 1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 7:15
And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Job 33:4
The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
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James Barnes
ג'יימס בארנס
There is no christ mentioned in Miqra aka the Tanakh... So there is no reason for me or anyone to believe that the new testament is authentic.
the OT speaks of god's annointed; language evolves.
even the hebrew of ancient times isn't the same as today's. people get hung up on the form at the expense of the idea.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Many people tend to think that Satan is God's, or the Lord Jesus Christ's, "opponent" and they are waging war with one another.
Even though this is technically accurate, the most important thing to remember is the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ created all things under the direction of His Father and that He rules over all.
Even though Satan is waging war against the Lamb, there is no real contest. The Lamb is going to win regardless of whatever Satan does.
However, the Lord has allowed all of us this brief time to work out our salvation. Being enticed by both the Good and the Evil. If He did not give us the freedom to choose for ourselves and a time set aside for us to make our choices, then He would be an idle God and a liar to boot.
he isn't waging war after being overshadowed/overcome, redemption comes to ALL as ONE.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...tial-secrets-psychotherapy-what-is-the-shadow
transmutation
http://www.thesap.org.uk/resources/...logy-2/about-analysis-and-therapy/the-shadow/
ego illusion vs true self, or neti neti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)
Daniel 2:43
And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman
Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him. When, a seer, he sees the Golden-hued, the maker, the Lord, the Spirit who is the source of Brahman, then he becomes the knower and shakes from his wings sin and virtue; pure of all stains he reaches the supreme identity.
Love changes everything
Lucifer, the light bringer, is associated with the morning star.
Revelation 2:28
I will also give that one the morning star.
Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
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whirlingmerc
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There are contrasts in Revelation that play off each other...
Take them in context
The slain lamb and the victorious lion (Jesus is both).
The pure lamb and the wild beast (Jesus is the lamb but not the beast).
The calm sea of glass (before the lamb) and the roaring sea (the beast(s) comes out of a roaring sea)
God who was and is and is to come and the beast who was and is not and is ... etc
In a sense the beast overcomes believers and in a sense believers overcome the beast
But I would not say the wrath of God is Satan.
Although God's discipline might include using many things and God's wrath might include many things and discipline for a purpose and wrath are not the same.
God superintends history including Satan for God's glory but it is only part of what God does
and I would not say the followers of the lamb control the beast but God ultimately makes all things work for His glory and His people's good.
Take them in context
The slain lamb and the victorious lion (Jesus is both).
The pure lamb and the wild beast (Jesus is the lamb but not the beast).
The calm sea of glass (before the lamb) and the roaring sea (the beast(s) comes out of a roaring sea)
God who was and is and is to come and the beast who was and is not and is ... etc
In a sense the beast overcomes believers and in a sense believers overcome the beast
But I would not say the wrath of God is Satan.
Although God's discipline might include using many things and God's wrath might include many things and discipline for a purpose and wrath are not the same.
God superintends history including Satan for God's glory but it is only part of what God does
and I would not say the followers of the lamb control the beast but God ultimately makes all things work for His glory and His people's good.
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i took them into contest because of the war in heaven; which is where armageddon takes place. in reality, meggido is a small hill that couldn't contain all the armies of earth. Meggido was a fortress town that guarded a narrow pass to Mt. Carmel - the garden land.
http://www.biblewalks.com/Sites/armaggedon.html
2 Samuel 24:1
[ David Enrolls the Fighting Men ] Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”
here we see david doing the same thing but the instead of being called the Lord, the angry one is referred to as Satan.
1Chronicles 21:1
[ David Counts the Fighting Men ] Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.