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My personal encounter with Jesus

JimmieJonie

New Member
I'm a christian, and when I first accepted Christianity, I was a bit lost; I was contemplating suicide, and because of it, I turned to religion. I'm a logical person, and I checked out the Bible, Quran, and Confucius's ideas. My family has always been atheist, so I'm not already biased, and when I read the Bible last, I got to the part where Nehemiah says " You alone are the lord..." and I felt moved, so I tried praying for the first time. I said: "O God, if you are real, please save me from this mess i'm in. I want to feel you all powerful presence upon me and I want to be changed, to be healed from my emotional scars. Please, Lord, save me!" or something similar to that (I won't lie, I didn't really remember what I said). Immediately afterwards, and this is not a made up story, my body started trembling with anticipation, and my heart felt like a warm, soft bag touched it. The feeling was like when you saw that girl/guy that you fell in love with at first sight, but 100 times stronger. I was so shocked by this that I cried a bit, because there is a God in this cruel world, and he is going to lead me into his light!
I am now pretty old, and very religious, and definitely not suicidal anymore! Thank you Jesus! I love you Jesus!
Thank you for reading my story :)
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'm a christian, and when I first accepted Christianity, I was a bit lost; I was contemplating suicide, and because of it, I turned to religion. I'm a logical person, and I checked out the Bible, Quran, and Confucius's ideas. My family has always been atheist, so I'm not already biased, and when I read the Bible last, I got to the part where Nehemiah says " You alone are the lord..." and I felt moved, so I tried praying for the first time. I said: "O God, if you are real, please save me from this mess i'm in. I want to feel you all powerful presence upon me and I want to be changed, to be healed from my emotional scars. Please, Lord, save me!" or something similar to that (I won't lie, I didn't really remember what I said). Immediately afterwards, and this is not a made up story, my body started trembling with anticipation, and my heart felt like a warm, soft bag touched it. The feeling was like when you saw that girl/guy that you fell in love with at first sight, but 100 times stronger. I was so shocked by this that I cried a bit, because there is a God in this cruel world, and he is going to lead me into his light!
I am now pretty old, and very religious, and definitely not suicidal anymore! Thank you Jesus! I love you Jesus!
Thank you for reading my story :)

I am happy for you. A little story. I had a friend who visited me about four years ago. She was Muslim and she too accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior. She was so happy but then she said something was missing. She was at a gas station and the cashier behind the counter listen to her testimony the same time she accepted Jesus. He looked her in the eye and said without bias, "did you repent?" She came to me and said, "you know. I didn't know quite what was missing. Now I know. I have to give my life to god. I must repent." She did.

I don't know why I remember that testimony. I just love hearing people come to their faith and their experiences from it.

:leafwind:
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I'm a christian, and when I first accepted Christianity, I was a bit lost; I was contemplating suicide, and because of it, I turned to religion. I'm a logical person, and I checked out the Bible, Quran, and Confucius's ideas. My family has always been atheist, so I'm not already biased, and when I read the Bible last, I got to the part where Nehemiah says " You alone are the lord..." and I felt moved, so I tried praying for the first time. I said: "O God, if you are real, please save me from this mess i'm in. I want to feel you all powerful presence upon me and I want to be changed, to be healed from my emotional scars. Please, Lord, save me!" or something similar to that (I won't lie, I didn't really remember what I said). Immediately afterwards, and this is not a made up story, my body started trembling with anticipation, and my heart felt like a warm, soft bag touched it. The feeling was like when you saw that girl/guy that you fell in love with at first sight, but 100 times stronger. I was so shocked by this that I cried a bit, because there is a God in this cruel world, and he is going to lead me into his light!
I am now pretty old, and very religious, and definitely not suicidal anymore! Thank you Jesus! I love you Jesus!
Thank you for reading my story :)

That sounds like something incredibly .... unremarkable.
You wanted there to be a god that cared about you and then you felt as if it exists.
On the other hand, you have managed to drag yourself out from the mess you were in. Good job!
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
I turned to Christianity ever since I was a kid. Went to a missionary school where first came to know about Jesus and his message of love.
Being from a Hindu family, I was primarily attracted to Shiva before.
I studied 14 years at that school and undersood much of it but since conversion laws are strict here, I couldn't convert.
Later when I went off to college, I started attending the church groups... Catholic, Anglican and African Pentecostal.
The last one was pure evil though with sermons of fear and hate.
But I wanted a church that was pro LGBT. So after 1.5 years I came across the MCC church.
I contacted them online and a priest decided to convert me. I was converted and began studying the scriptures, but there was always a gap in me... Many things stood very commanding and without reason.
I tried to listen to the online sermons of other churches, but it just wouldn't do.
There was still so many questions, so I gave it up. Also it's teachings on hating gays, hating other religions, etc didn't resonate well with me.
16 years of my life going after a relgion and it was that it was not for me.
I tried reading the Quran and it didn't work for me at all.
Next, I was an atheist for a while.
Then what changed my life (literally did) was a book that I've always had in my home but I never read it.
My friend recommended it to me during some troubled times.
I bought an pdf version of it online and started reading.
At first I'd notice I'd didn't like it as much, but then I gave it another read... The 2nd Chapter of the book has given me my life's first epiphany. It was amazing how simple things are often, right infront of us but we forget it cuz of our ignorance.
Then I went on and on, again and again.
It's a very small book so for 2 years I've reading it and still makes me realize many facts of life.
Without any mandatory commandments, it explains the most secretive knowledge of self realization, of taking action, of the truth of ourselves and to save ourselves by our own effort from anxiety, fear and delusion.
There's so Satan or Angel... But ones mind being his friend or enemy.
Though I also follow Buddhist and Taoist teachings too, but among books, for me it's a gem.
The scripture is the Srimad Bhagavad Gita.
Best time to read it is while feeling down or scared or doubt while taking an action.
The conversation between Lord Shri Krishna and the Pandava warrior Arjuna 5000 years ago, proved great help in my understanding and my personal growth to comprehend the universe and what's beyond this universe.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
I'm a christian, and when I first accepted Christianity, I was a bit lost; I was contemplating suicide, and because of it, I turned to religion. I'm a logical person, and I checked out the Bible, Quran, and Confucius's ideas. My family has always been atheist, so I'm not already biased, and when I read the Bible last, I got to the part where Nehemiah says " You alone are the lord..." and I felt moved, so I tried praying for the first time. I said: "O God, if you are real, please save me from this mess i'm in. I want to feel you all powerful presence upon me and I want to be changed, to be healed from my emotional scars. Please, Lord, save me!" or something similar to that (I won't lie, I didn't really remember what I said). Immediately afterwards, and this is not a made up story, my body started trembling with anticipation, and my heart felt like a warm, soft bag touched it. The feeling was like when you saw that girl/guy that you fell in love with at first sight, but 100 times stronger. I was so shocked by this that I cried a bit, because there is a God in this cruel world, and he is going to lead me into his light!
I am now pretty old, and very religious, and definitely not suicidal anymore! Thank you Jesus! I love you Jesus!
Thank you for reading my story :)
Sudden religious experiences can be symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy and such attacks can be caused by abnormalities in the brain such as injury or disease. I strongly advice anybody who has religious experiences to have their brains checked for possible abnormalities. If you come across somebody who suddenly start to have religious experiences or seem to become obsessed with religious matters get them to a doctor!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18171635
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
I'm a christian, and when I first accepted Christianity, I was a bit lost; I was contemplating suicide, and because of it, I turned to religion. I'm a logical person, and I checked out the Bible, Quran, and Confucius's ideas. My family has always been atheist, so I'm not already biased, and when I read the Bible last, I got to the part where Nehemiah says " You alone are the lord..." and I felt moved, so I tried praying for the first time. I said: "O God, if you are real, please save me from this mess i'm in. I want to feel you all powerful presence upon me and I want to be changed, to be healed from my emotional scars. Please, Lord, save me!" or something similar to that (I won't lie, I didn't really remember what I said). Immediately afterwards, and this is not a made up story, my body started trembling with anticipation, and my heart felt like a warm, soft bag touched it. The feeling was like when you saw that girl/guy that you fell in love with at first sight, but 100 times stronger. I was so shocked by this that I cried a bit, because there is a God in this cruel world, and he is going to lead me into his light!
I am now pretty old, and very religious, and definitely not suicidal anymore! Thank you Jesus! I love you Jesus!
Thank you for reading my story :)
Awesome testimony. Don't listen to haters who will tell you that you are crazy. Each of us who are born again have had experiences that lead us to the cross. Mine happen in 2000 when I was a senior in high school. I was in a Christian home. Just my mom, my older sister and me. My mom and her ex had been praying for me for years to come to know God personally. One day in the start of the school year I was sitting on the steps at school listing to a group called slip Knott and their song wait and bleed when this girl named Holly walk up to and stop and told me God loves me. Never been told that outside of my home and church. It did something to me when I was told that. Two days later she found me in the lunch room and asked me if I would join with her in going to this club called red skins for life. I felt something in side telling me to do it. So I did. A few days later was at my old church in the youth department. We had a speical speaker talking. He talk. about how he was into drugs as a kid and how he came to know God. As an outsider I understood what he was saying. I remember closing my eyes and him asking the question if anyone needs Jesus raise their hands. I felt a guest of wind come into the room and I kid you not my hand lift it self up. I was the only teenager out of 150 students who gave their life to the Lord that night.
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
Sudden religious experiences can be symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy and such attacks can be caused by abnormalities in the brain such as injury or disease. I strongly advice anybody who has religious experiences to have their brains checked for possible abnormalities. If you come across somebody who suddenly start to have religious experiences or seem to become obsessed with religious matters get them to a doctor!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18171635
Why can't people like you just be happy for people? Any time people find a joy in God there are people like yourself who want to steal it. Perhaps you are the one who needs help
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
Why can't people like you just be happy for people? Any time people find a joy in God there are people like yourself who want to steal it. Perhaps you are the one who needs help
What if you come across somebody who suddenly starts to have religious experiences because of temporal lobe epilepsy caused by a brain tumor? If you don't tell him to get himself checked and he later dies it's on your head if you ignore what I told you.
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
What if you come across somebody who suddenly starts to have religious experiences because of temporal lobe epilepsy caused by a brain tumor? If you don't tell him to get himself checked and he later dies it's on your head if you ignore what I told you.
I believe God can reach people even when they are sick. My wife battles with bi polar and God talks to her even when she is sick. I battle with fibromyalgia, depression and anxiety. When I am sick I feel God speaking to me as well. If someone hears God speaking to them as long as they don't go out hurting people how is it anyone else bussiness? If it helps them why can't people like yourself just be happy they found something to help them? Why do you need to throw your own agenda at them when they don't ask for it?
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Why can't people like you just be happy for people?

I'll give you as honest a reason as I can, and the answer isn't because people are mean spirited as you suggest.

I was a bit lost; I was contemplating suicide, and because of it, I turned to religion.

This,

My wife battles with bi polar and God talks to her

This,

I battle with fibromyalgia, depression and anxiety. When I am sick I feel God speaking to me as well.

And this, followed by this,

Sudden religious experiences can be symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy and such attacks can be caused by abnormalities in the brain such as injury or disease.

Did you ever notice people who have sudden revelations of God talking to them or feel God reached out and touched them in some way are almost always seriously disturbed? Considering suicide, bi-polar, depressed, drug addicted, etc. Every report I hear of someone who thinks God directly contacted them comes from someone who has severe emotional and/or physical problems.

Couple this with what ArtieE has noted, that doctors have linked sudden, acute religious experiences with serious brain disorders and you'll start to see the reason why many people aren't simply willing to say "gee, that's nice that God spoke to you." It's because we sincerely believe what these folks are hearing is not God's voice, but the onset of mental illness.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
I believe God can reach people even when they are sick. My wife battles with bi polar and God talks to her even when she is sick. I battle with fibromyalgia, depression and anxiety. When I am sick I feel God speaking to me as well. If someone hears God speaking to them as long as they don't go out hurting people how is it anyone else bussiness? If it helps them why can't people like yourself just be happy they found something to help them? Why do you need to throw your own agenda at them when they don't ask for it?
Because I actually care about other people and if I see people display symptoms like sudden religious experiences that may be caused by serious brain abnormalities I try to help them.
 

Agondonter

Active Member
Sudden religious experiences can be symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy and such attacks can be caused by abnormalities in the brain such as injury or disease. I strongly advice anybody who has religious experiences to have their brains checked for possible abnormalities. If you come across somebody who suddenly start to have religious experiences or seem to become obsessed with religious matters get them to a doctor!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18171635
People this cynical are the ones who should have their heads examined for brain damage. Unfortunately, this kind of brain damage is so common it's considered to be normal.
 
When someone is pure enough to stand in the presence of god. Others often finally realize they are not pure and this becomes bothersome so lets insult our way to purity. Sounds like another case of light becomes dark and dark becomes light. People always are insulting and think that this behavior is charity. Now who has brain damage, cause personally it would be more comforting having brain damage while insulting cause at least it would be excusable behavior.
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
I'll give you as honest a reason as I can, and the answer isn't because people are mean spirited as you suggest.



This,



This,



And this, followed by this,



Did you ever notice people who have sudden revelations of God talking to them or feel God reached out and touched them in some way are almost always seriously disturbed? Considering suicide, bi-polar, depressed, drug addicted, etc. Every report I hear of someone who thinks God directly contacted them comes from someone who has severe emotional and/or physical problems.

Couple this with what ArtieE has noted, that doctors have linked sudden, acute religious experiences with serious brain disorders and you'll start to see the reason why many people aren't simply willing to say "gee, that's nice that God spoke to you." It's because we sincerely believe what these folks are hearing is not God's voice, but the onset of mental illness.
So because people have health issues you can't be happy for them? Life is not always meant to be perfect. Stuff happens. Life happens
 

BenTheBeliever

Active Member
Because I actually care about other people and if I see people display symptoms like sudden religious experiences that may be caused by serious brain abnormalities I try to help them.
People come to know God in different ways. For example when I came to know God I was a lonely senior in high school who needed help and love. I thank God for sending my friend Holly my way
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Sudden religious experiences can be symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy and such attacks can be caused by abnormalities in the brain such as injury or disease. I strongly advice anybody who has religious experiences to have their brains checked for possible abnormalities. If you come across somebody who suddenly start to have religious experiences or seem to become obsessed with religious matters get them to a doctor! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18171635

Just had to mention this. I have right temporal lobe Epilepsy ever since I was young. Religions experiences and auras and Epileptic episodes are completed different. For example, some people with epilepsy may have a "flush" feeling. Others may zone out for a couple of seconds while others hallucinate. In each case, their consciousness or awareness (literal) is disturbed. The nuerons in that area of the brain goes "off track" and whichever part of the body it affects is how you see it affects them.

Religious experiences, on the other hand, I would claim it closer to psychology not neurology. I guess personal experience lets me understand that. Why psychology? Many if not all religious have some type of need of mental, physical, and/or spiritual fulfillment. The nature of religion brings a sense of peace and wholeness. Unlike Epilepsy, especially temporal lobe that controls memory but not hallucinations. Usually most people are aware even those who practice as a medium or in deep prayer or more aware of their feelings. In seizures the core mark is unawareness. It impairs consciousness to where religious experiences (which is ultimate and peaceful awareness) cannot be reached.

I'd say the article is reaching out on a limb to connect the two. Epilepsy is neurology. In my opinion, religion is psychological. I see a psychologist for pseudo seizures. Seizures that do not have any neurological cause (nothing on the EEG). So, everything, my ictal and postical and the seizure itself are all psychological (as they say).

However, like a seizure, it alters awareness. Religious people are more self-aware and more at peace. They usually know who or what they contact or whatever state they are in. Seizures, by their nature, are not like that post and ictal.

Post ictal psychosis? Never heard that in seizure disorders. You can call some seizures psychosis like pseudo seizures and maybe seizures that involve aura/ictal hallucinations; however, everything comes from the brain not the heart and definitely not the mind. I read someone that this can be a religious thing. For example, I went to a protestant church and I had a seizure. Members didn't call 911. Instead, they held me down trying to get the holy spirit from me.

I think a lot of this is still ignorance. We are still learning about the brain and it does affect us psychologically. Most religious say their experiences are not psychological (mine included since I know and have TLEpilepsy) but like any other event just more personal.

The article is right that the temporal lobe involves emotions. I experience that daily. The difference is, religious experiences are emotional (anyone can say that) but they do not replace or not seizures post nor ictal. People have emotions in religious experiences but as long as they are aware of the event, it isn't a seizure--hence it isn't epilepsy.

The article is reaching out on a limb trying to connect the two. I can see how it makes sense according to the author; and, as a patience with TLEpilepsy, I understand the differences between post and ictal, aura, and seizure experiences.

I actually feel the OP had a religious experience and not related to Epilepsy. Psychologically, which is fine because our emotions and experiences are, by nature, psychological. Epilepsy involves the neurons in the brain and alters awareness; so, I (and others) would find it impossible to have religious experiences with that type of altered awareness. If anything, we'd forgot (nature of seizure) what happened and can't associate it with religion because of forgetfulness.

Just my thoughts.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What if you come across somebody who suddenly starts to have religious experiences because of temporal lobe epilepsy caused by a brain tumor? If you don't tell him to get himself checked and he later dies it's on your head if you ignore what I told you.

Interrupt here. That's not the nature of a seizure, religious experiences. We can't interpret that as a religious experience because we are not aware of it when it happens and thus forgetful. We have to have others vouch for us during the seizure.

That, and religious experiences aren't symptoms of Epilepsy. Epilepsy is about a cluster of seizures (need to be more than two) that affect the neurons not the religious emotions of the patience. It can only be diagnose physically by an EEG and tumors by MRI and CATs. Religious experiences can't be detected by EEGs and MRIs; therefore, it has nothing to do with the brain. Pseudo seizures are psychological seizures that have the same altered awareness but with no pattern change in the MRI and they aren't caused by tumors. Instead, the altered awareness is one hallmark that it is not a religious experience. Most religious are more aware of their environment and intuned with their person or object of worship. Their emotions are from a result of their religion while the symptom are the seizures not the result from them. If there is a tumor, of course tumors aren't religious experiences so we can't conclude religious experiences come from tumor to create seizure symptoms and some how the neurons become psychological to create religious experiences. Even though we are part psychological beings, that doesn't make us crazy or in need of help unless we can't take care of ourselves, hurting ourselves, or others. Most lay religious don't do that. Those that do don't have Epilepsy. They are aware of what they do and in seizures no matter the cause it is just not like that.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I had to do some correcting here. I am an TL Epilepsy patient and advocate for people who struggle with it, loved ones, and supporters. We meet as a support group and I'm trying to get fundraising and awareness activities together. Seeing people who genuinely do not know what seizures are bothers me. Years ago they thought it came from demons. My experience above, people thought it was the holy spirit. So, awareness and education is the key.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
Here is some additional information.

"Selective brain damage modulates human spirituality"
http://phys.org/news/2010-02-brain-modulates-human-spirituality.html


"Case Report
Isolated Hyperreligiosity in a Patient with Temporal Lobe Epilepsy"

"Hyperreligiosity may be an ictal, an interictal, or a postictal phenomenology. Ictal religiosity is a type of ecstatic seizure, such as feelings of joy or pleasure. Different examples of ictal religious experiences include intense emotions of God’s presence, hallucinations of God’s voice"

"In a study of 234 patients [5], 1.3 percent had ictal religious experiences, usually associated with right temporal lobe origin. Experiences included a sense of presence of God and auditory or visual hallucinations of God"

"In summary, hyperreligiosity is a known epileptic manifestation that may be an ictal, interictal, or postictal phenomenon, requiring appropriate diagnosis and treatment to prevent further neurologic injury."
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2015/235856/

This is not a comment on the validity of religious experiences just read the articles and decide for yourselves what to do if you come across somebody who shows these symptoms.
 
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