Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[Robert.Evans]

http://www.thehotline.org/is-this-abuse/abuse-defined/
From the National Domestic Violence Hotline website.

You are narrowing the definition.

 

[Draka]

I think you will find it says "discuss compare debate" not argue. And it would depend on the strength and repetitiveness of the argument as to whether it would be seen as abuse. There are many forms of abuse.

Quibble quibble. You are still adjusting definitions to suit your purpose. A debate is an argument. If you claim an argument is abuse the debating is abusive.

 

[Draka]

You are narrowing the definition.

He is defining exactly what we are talking about. You are broadbrushing to manipulate things to your favor. Not very well I may add.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You keep on saying "abuse can take many forms", as if someone here is disagreeing with you. this is nothing but a straw man, as no one has disagreed with this. Everyone here agrees that abuse can be verbal and physical.

So why are you arguing with me??????

 

[leibowde84]

Which in turn can be reciprocated.

It can be, sure. But, most often it is not. But both examples are one-sided due to what "domestic abuse" means. You are talking about two distinct examples of abuse.

 

[Draka]

So why are you arguing with me??????

Because...you stated that "abuse is rarely one-sided" when we are specifically talking about domestic abuse and that simply isn't so.

 

[leibowde84]

So why are you arguing with me??????

Because you explicitly and erroneously claimed that abuse is most often not one sided.

 

[leibowde84]

You are narrowing the definition.

Nope. Domestic abuse is a specific term with a specific meaning. You are manipulating the definition, broadening the issue to abuse in general when this discussion is very obviously about "domestic abuse".

 

[Robert.Evans]

I didn't make a claim about the intent of feminism ... you did. I merely pointed out that your claim was facially absurd, and you failed to provide even one iota of supporting evidence. Thus, it is an empty claim.

What did they try to do then?? Keep it together? Where is the evidence of that?

Quote:
"My fascination with this new movement lasted only a few months. At the huge "collectives", I heard shrill women preaching hatred of the family. "


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-430702/How-feminists-tried-destroy-family.html

 

[leibowde84]

What did they try to do then?? Keep it together? Where is the evidence of that?

Quote:
"My fascination with this new movement lasted only a few months. At the huge "collectives", I heard shrill women preaching hatred of the family. "


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-430702/How-feminists-tried-destroy-family.html

They were fighting for equality. My only claim was that they weren't trying to break up families. And one persons experience with "collectives" is just that ... one persons experience. Don't prove nuthin.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I didn't make a claim about the intent of feminism ... you did. I merely pointed out that your claim was facially absurd, and you failed to provide even one iota of supporting evidence. Thus, it is an empty claim.

The mere fact that it makes me want to puke, I've had to stop. They are second hand quotes. You will have to follow them up if you want to know more. I'm guessing that you won't.


"The nuclear family must be destroyed , and people must find better ways of living together. ... Whatever it's ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. ... "Families have supported oppression by separating people into small, isolated units, unable to join together to fight for common interests. ..." - Functions of the Family, Linda Gordon, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969. - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf

"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage. " -- [Robin Morgan, "Sisterhood Is Powerful," (ed), 1970, p. 537] - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf

"The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it" - Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, in Women and the New Rage, p.67 - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf

"Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women... We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men." - The Declaration of Feminism , November 1971 - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf


http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/feminism-and-cultural-marxism-plot-to.html

 

[Robert.Evans]

Domestic abuse is what we have been talking about so trying to use broadbrush definitions to argue that abuse is two-sided is dishonest at best.

Domestic Abuse

This argument has got into a debate of definition. Mine is right which is what you just confirmed. Now we can carry on where we left of about three days ago.
Do not call me dishonest missy.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Obviously, we are discussing "domestic abuse", which has a very specific meaning, and, from the definition (below) seems to be one-sided.

Domestic violence (also domestic abuse, spousal abuse, intimate partner violence, battering or family violence) is a pattern of behavior which involves violence or other abuse by one person against another in a domestic setting, such as in marriage or cohabitation.

We were defining the word for the last three pages. Now you agree then that it means more than your definition perhaps we can move on

 

[Robert.Evans]

Quibble quibble. You are still adjusting definitions to suit your purpose. A debate is an argument. If you claim an argument is abuse the debating is abusive.

I am doing no such thing. I am giving you the definition. Try accepting it

 

[Robert.Evans]

It can be, sure. But, most often it is not. But both examples are one-sided due to what "domestic abuse" means. You are talking about two distinct examples of abuse.

You are agreeing with me and then narrowing the meaning to not agree.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Because...you stated that "abuse is rarely one-sided" when we are specifically talking about domestic abuse and that simply isn't so.

And that takes us onto the DEFINITION OF ABUSE, or have you NOT been listenign for a large part of my life?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Nope. Domestic abuse is a specific term with a specific meaning. You are manipulating the definition, broadening the issue to abuse in general when this discussion is very obviously about "domestic abuse".

That is a pack of lies. I never said "domestic abuse" Go peddle it somewhere else.

 

[leibowde84]

The mere fact that it makes me want to puke, I've had to stop. They are second hand quotes. You will have to follow them up if you want to know more. I'm guessing that you won't.


"The nuclear family must be destroyed , and people must find better ways of living together. ... Whatever it's ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. ... "Families have supported oppression by separating people into small, isolated units, unable to join together to fight for common interests. ..." - Functions of the Family, Linda Gordon, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969. - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf

"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage. " -- [Robin Morgan, "Sisterhood Is Powerful," (ed), 1970, p. 537] - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf

"The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it" - Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, in Women and the New Rage, p.67 - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf

"Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women... We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men." - The Declaration of Feminism , November 1971 - See more at: http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...ral-marxism-plot-to.html#sthash.43M30xvE.dpuf


http://smashcm.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/feminism-and-cultural-marxism-plot-to.html

So, these are extremist feminist comments from the 60s and 70s. They in no way represent the motives of modern feminism. Does the Westboro Baptist Church represent all Christians?

 

[leibowde84]

You are agreeing with me and then narrowing the meaning to not agree.

Nope ... for the 100th time. I am disagreeing with your claim that "abuse is most often not one-sided". Either you misspoke, or you are dead wrong.

 

[Robert.Evans]

They were fighting for equality. My only claim was that they weren't trying to break up families. And one persons experience with "collectives" is just that ... one persons experience. Don't prove nuthin.

Then go look for more. Do you seriously think I will spend hours looking for you when you can't even understand a simple concept like abuse?