Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[JoStories]

Really?
I've never known one, as far as I know. I've known guys who are perfectly good single parents. But they always started out as a couple, then the mother left the picture for some reason.
Tom

I know quite a few myself Tom. Its not as uncommon anymore.

 

[JoStories]

You think I can give that??

Logically speaking, you said that you see God and God's son as factual. Therefore it falls to you to provide proof of that. That is what this poster is asking of you. If you cannot provide said facts, admit you cannot and be done with it.

 

[JoStories]

If an abuser is truly violent living in the same house is often a recipe for disaster. Honestly the argument about this topic hits home for me. My first husband abused me. Would literally pick me up and throw me into walls and furniture, put blades to my chest and neck, strangle me, threaten my life. The idea that some think I should have stayed and tried to work that out, that I shouldn't have divorced or remarried astounds me at their cruelty. I have a loving man in my life that would never raise a hand to me. We have children together. The sheer idea that some think I am deserving of Hell and have committed some great sin by daring to go on with my life I find beyond contempt.

I am a member of that club Draka. My first beat the snot out of me as well, landing me in the ICU once. And yet, the priest I was told I had to go to to have counseling told me that if I divorced the man, I would go to hell. And I had to endure his abuse as 'he is your husband'. Bull snot. Anyone telling me I should have stayed married can collectively kiss my patootie. But insofar as you state here, solidarity sister. I am right there with you.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Sure it is wrong.
If one's country is at war with another who is an aggressor, then one has to join in killing, because it is proper occasion.
Regards

You can't run?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I am on page 5. Are the rest of the pages about murder?
It is off topic. I am sure.

Yeah, we have been a bit mischievous I think

 

[Robert.Evans]

I have an off-topic question, please.

Is killing and letting die the same or different?

Good question. I guess they would be pretty much the same, wouldn't they?

 

[Robert.Evans]

If an abuser is truly violent living in the same house is often a recipe for disaster. Honestly the argument about this topic hits home for me. My first husband abused me. Would literally pick me up and throw me into walls and furniture, put blades to my chest and neck, strangle me, threaten my life. The idea that some think I should have stayed and tried to work that out, that I shouldn't have divorced or remarried astounds me at their cruelty. I have a loving man in my life that would never raise a hand to me. We have children together. The sheer idea that some think I am deserving of Hell and have committed some great sin by daring to go on with my life I find beyond contempt.

If you are speaking about me, which I assume you are, I would have said that you have to put yourself in a safe place and the situation dealt with. But from a law perspective, you would be expected to live unmarried from then on. Tough I know. If you want to take it to its extreme, then you should be celibate. But that is a whole new chapter. So through concession, we are allowed one partner. I guess we would choose carefully if we knew that. I am not suggesting anything by that BTW. I am glad you are happy now.

Hell is only temporary .

 

[Robert.Evans]

Logically speaking, you said that you see God and God's son as factual. Therefore it falls to you to provide proof of that. That is what this poster is asking of you. If you cannot provide said facts, admit you cannot and be done with it.

What I am saying is that God is fact. I do not have to show that to you or anyone to make it fact. I have a clock in my room. That is fact. None of you know it, see it, or ever will. It is still fact. It is fact because it is true. It is fact because it is known. You think that it must be able to be proved to others then? And that I assume is because you are thinking with a materialistic mind, which will limit you immediately. But if your question is show me God, then one day you will see him. But that is up to him, not me. But it is still fact. We know that through the spirit of his son that he freely gives us.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I am a member of that club Draka. My first beat the snot out of me as well, landing me in the ICU once. And yet, the priest I was told I had to go to to have counseling told me that if I divorced the man, I would go to hell. And I had to endure his abuse as 'he is your husband'. Bull snot. Anyone telling me I should have stayed married can collectively kiss my patootie. But insofar as you state here, solidarity sister. I am right there with you.

You don't have to stop with someone who is abusive, whichever way it works (male/female). Even Paul shows that. Everything is dependent on the keeping the law in the first place. If the man is not, the woman is not bound by the man. How can she be. He would be a lawbreaker.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I am not comatose. I am aware. You can prove something to me. So...make your case with actual proof.

God proves, not man.
Either way, I have shown you that something can be fact, true, real, without need to show anyone else, and yet it is still fact.
I used the example of your hand, I was going to use a country but I didn't know which one you were in.

So I can say something exists here now with me. I know it is fact. I do not have to prove it to you for it to be fact. I could write something on a piece of paper, then destroy the paper without anyone seeing it. The only ONE person that would have KNOWN what was on that paper (verified) would be me. Everyone else would have to listen to opinion, my opinion. Do you see yet? Things can be fact without anyone else knowing anything about it. Would the law of gravity cease to be if we did not know it, if it suddenly left are memory banks?
Was evolution not fact before we knew it?

So there, you have asked to put up or shut up. I have put up

 

[Robert.Evans]

Tell me what you mean by murder.
We probably will disagree. It is an extremely subjective term. Usually people just mean "homicide I think is wrong".
Tom

When are you going to explain how murder can be subjective?

 

[savagewind]

Good question. I guess they would be pretty much the same, wouldn't they?

If it is true that letting die and killing are the same then are we not all guilty id est "wrong"? Your opinion is that killing is wrong. Is your opinion that letting someone die is wrong too? Does God not do that?

I am able to be a good neighbor and a bad neighbor. If my neighbor is in need and I do not help her and because of my not helping she dies then I am guilty. True or false?

 

[savagewind]

I think the homes of single mothers with their children are seen for the most part as homes with absentee fathers. The man fathering the child chooses to abandon it.

What is the prevalence of homes where the one mothering a child chooses to abandon it but the biological father raises it?

The man and the woman were never married. She is still alive.

How does a man even prove he is the father?

"I dated that woman, the child is mine". LOL

 

[savagewind]

Get it the players' shoes. Why not?

A child is born of an unmarried woman. I think most women have some kind of family. Let's say she has a family. Even if she chooses to abandon her child her biological family has to abandon it too for it to be available for another person to have. How common is that? And HOW will the government give it to a man claiming it? I think the government won't.

 

[Draka]

DNA

 

[savagewind]

DNA

Yes. You are reading my mind. BUT how often does that happen? And for how long has DNA testing been a solution? Maybe like me, you watch a lot of Law and Order?

 

[savagewind]

How much does DNA testing cost? And how does a man get a sample from the child? A lawyer, maybe. How much does that cost?

 

[Draka]

If you are speaking about me, which I assume you are, I would have said that you have to put yourself in a safe place and the situation dealt with. But from a law perspective, you would be expected to live unmarried from then on. Tough I know. If you want to take it to its extreme, then you should be celibate. But that is a whole new chapter. So through concession, we are allowed one partner. I guess we would choose carefully if we knew that. I am not suggesting anything by that BTW. I am glad you are happy now.

Hell is only temporary .

Your "law" then would dictate that my current hubby would not find happiness with me and, the biggest thing, my children would not exist. I cannot seriously believe in a god that would condemn people to misery and unhappiness for the rest of their lives due to another person's transgressions. I cannot seriously believe in a god that would say my children should never have existed. I cannot seriously believe in a god who would punish a victim. That is not a god worth believing in. That is a childish, pathetic, twisted, cruel, malevolent god and I will have nothing to do with such a terrible excuse for a "deity". You can go on with your worshipping of such a beast but I cannot. My morals forbid it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If it is true that letting die and killing are the same then are we not all guilty id est "wrong"?

"id est"??
If you are saying that we allow people to die, then I guess so. Expand please.

Your opinion is that killing is wrong.

God says it is wrong. That is fact. All else is opinion.

Is your opinion that letting someone die is wrong too?

Yes.

Does God not do that?

God does everything, makes alive, destoys, takes life, builds up.

I am able to be a good neighbor and a bad neighbor. If my neighbor is in need and I do not help her and because of my not helping she dies then I am guilty. True or false?

If you knew that she needed help and she died because you didn't and you knew full well that would happen, that is wrong. Guilty.

 

[Robert.Evans]

How much does DNA testing cost? And how does a man get a sample from the child? A lawyer, maybe. How much does that cost?

How much of a problem is it in the first place? Morals and being peaceable should be taught. That is divine law, is it not.