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Arm the civilians VS Disarm Civilians , which safer ?

which bring more safe to you :


  • Total voters
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Except its not. There are many people in Algeria with illegal guns. Not to the extent pro-gun people would say, but pretending algeria is some gun-free wonderland is just not true.
that's for sure very very rare , for sure Algeria is not out space .

My point is our criminals in majority don't had guns , because is not reachable , there is no parallel market for guns.

no one can buy or sell gun here ,it's crime to buy gun or sell it .
 
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I'd really rather not live under a government that tells me that I can't have a handgun, rifle or a shotgun for personal protection or for hunting.
let's suppse that you want to go outside your country , for exemple Europe, Egypt...etc , how you protect your self ? how about Americans "outside" whom lived in other countries ?


just question :
Is allowed to carry you gun all time ? even in market or cinema ?
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
let's suppse that you want to go outside your country , for exemple Europe, Egypt...etc , how you protect your self ? how about Americans "outside" whom lived in other countries ?


just question :
Is allowed to carry you gun all time ? even in market or cinema ?
Forgive me as this question wasn't to me specifically, but if I was in another country I would respect the law of that land. In the state I live in if you carry a permit you can carry most places. Exceptions being schools or Govt. buildings and anywhere a business owner forbids it.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Forgive me as this question wasn't to me specifically, but if I was in another country I would respect the law of that land. In the state I live in if you carry a permit you can carry most places. Exceptions being schools or Govt. buildings and anywhere a business owner forbids it.
this is the point , so it's not all time and all places you can protect your self "by gun"
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Very interesting topic especially considering the international nature of this forum. The concept of our second amendment is alien to many countries in the world. I have a friend from England who thinks we are nuts to have the kind of gun rights we have here in the USA. My wife is from another country that has very restrictive gun laws and she doesn't really understand it either.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Affirmative. ;)
In answer to an earlier question as to whether we would leave the country because of laws we don't like. No in general we don't leave, we just vote for people we believe will uphold the will of the people and then hope they will.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Very interesting topic especially considering the international nature of this forum. The concept of our second amendment is alien to many countries in the world. I have a friend from England who thinks we are nuts to have the kind of gun rights we have here in the USA. My wife is from another country that has very restrictive gun laws and she doesn't really understand it either.

I'm from the UK too (Wales) and I think it's nuts as well :)
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Thanks for starting this topic Godobeyer. This is a divisive subject inside the USA. Its interesting to see others views from around the world.
because I don't take the habit to see someone "civilian" carry gun around me :eek:, i find it really scary to know that my neigherbors had guns ,the accident happened all times , as last one in Oregon campus .

for my personal opinion which based on my life (which empty of guns) : I find it not safe that people around me carry guns .

I like exchange opinions and views .
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
Saint Frankenstein

let's suppose that your country made a law against what you wish , so you leave your country for that !!!

One of the reasons I left California is for that, even though not a country...most parts are too restrictive and it isn't a very gun-friendly state. I've always been involved in military, law enforcement, security services, etc. occupations but it's about the people all together, not me.

My entire adult life has been around loaded guns, I like it that way and I'll always support it :)

The larger and more diverse we get in sub-cultures, ethics, values, parenting, economic opportunity, etc. makes it rather stupid to live in certain areas unarmed. If you look at more rural, old fashioned places - with neighbors rather than strangers - firearms violence is practically non-existent...on par with several European countries. We don't all live there though and a lot of jobs, homes, schools are in more urban areas that reflect America of yesterday only in name and hotdogs.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm from the UK too (Wales) and I think it's nuts as well :)
I think it really has a lot to do with where you were raised. In some parts of the USA they have very restrictive gun laws in others not so much. And I promise...I'm not nuts. :D
 

David1967

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Premium Member
One of the reasons I left California is for that, even though not a country...most parts are too restrictive and it isn't a very gun-friendly state. I've always been involved in military, law enforcement, security services, etc. occupations but it's about the people all together, not me.

My entire adult life has been around loaded guns, I like it that way and I'll always support it :)

The larger and more diverse we get in sub-cultures, ethics, values, parenting, economic opportunity, etc. makes it rather stupid to live in certain areas unarmed. If you look at more rural, old fashioned places - with neighbors rather than strangers - firearms violence is practically non-existent...on par with several European countries. We don't all live there though and a lot of jobs, homes, schools are in more urban areas that reflect America of yesterday only in name and hotdogs.
Well said brother.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
because I don't take the habit to see someone "civilian" carry gun around me :eek:, i find it really scary to know that my neigherbors had guns ,the accident happened all times , as last one in Oregon campus .

for my personal opinion which based on my life (which empty of guns) : I find it not safe that people around me carry guns .

I like exchange opinions and views .
Absolutely, I welcome your views. But in the case of the Oregon tragedy..If only they had had an armed security guard the outcome may have been different. We will never know. May God bless the families who suffered in that senseless attack.:(
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
One of the reasons I left California is for that, even though not a country...most parts are too restrictive and it isn't a very gun-friendly state. I've always been involved in military, law enforcement, security services, etc. occupations but it's about the people all together, not me.

My entire adult life has been around loaded guns, I like it that way and I'll always support it :)

The larger and more diverse we get in sub-cultures, ethics, values, parenting, economic opportunity, etc. makes it rather stupid to live in certain areas unarmed. If you look at more rural, old fashioned places - with neighbors rather than strangers - firearms violence is practically non-existent...on par with several European countries. We don't all live there though and a lot of jobs, homes, schools are in more urban areas that reflect America of yesterday only in name and hotdogs.
as you told me that you police , i am really confused why you agree that civilians carry guns !!! for my opinion it's not safety for you
while your career of this job , you never being shot by civilians (criminals) ?

why it's really important in USA that everyone" be police for himself" by carry gun !!
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
as you told me that you police , i am really confused why you agree that civilians carry guns !!! for my opinion it's not safety for you
while your career of this job , you never being shot by civilians (criminals) ?

why it's really important in USA that everyone" be police for himself" by carry gun !!

We all carry guns for our self and each other, all citizens who all share the place together. Every adult should be able to protect themselves without needing an armed escort with them whenever they leave their homes (which isn't possible for most folks, let alone reasonable).

It's extremely rare for someone to have a legally purchased firearm and go after law enforcement. I'm not afraid of teachers, engineers, soccer-moms, etc. shooting me or my family.
 
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