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Koran dated to before Muhamad birth.
- Thread starter outhouse
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that's sure , but about scriptures ?Which means muhammad would have known about these traditions
anyway even he knew all Torah and Gospel , that's not change my view/believe on him or his message .
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
If i rephrased the the words of the quran and plagiarized from the Islamic mythology, then will that makes me a prophet ?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Null or God, what the difference and how can we observe what had happened before the big bang.
outhouse
Atheistically
how you know that ?!!! are you God ?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
According to scholars, the dating of the parchment to the period between 568 A.D. and 645 A.D., implies that the script could have been written before 610 A.D., the date that Prophet Muhammad, who lived between 570 A.D. and 632 A.D., received his first revelation, according to the official version of Islamic history.
So, it may have been written prior to the life of Muhammad, but maybe not since there is some overlap, and the date of the parchment is not necessarily the date it was written on. With the close overlap, it really doesn't seem to be an issue.
So, it may have been written prior to the life of Muhammad, but maybe not since there is some overlap, and the date of the parchment is not necessarily the date it was written on. With the close overlap, it really doesn't seem to be an issue.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
outhouse
Atheistically
That is the point. It snot even known for sure. It leaves the possibility open
It is and it is not.
If its early it is.
But remember the current koran is not what Muhammad had in his 20's the current book wasn't finished until the end of said dates.
The book evolved into its current form, and this has the possibility of helping us unde5rstand more about what we already know.
outhouse
Atheistically
Why you need gods to understand reason and logic? He knew about theology, could you at least read or study anything at all before debating so that you do not do so blindly?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Did the universe come to existence by logic ? or we do understand that the null evolved to the universe that we know today. .
how do you know that he know about all theology and religion and tradition of Jews and Christians ?
If i study then i claim that i know how the in past someone thinking (mystery), i will claim that i am had God power .
Yes! Exactly! Once you get people to believe you, you'll be a prophet.
If you are a rich and powerful warlord you can probably do it. Muhammad did.
Tom
David M
Well-Known Member
Why would you say thay he was illiterate, the Quran (e.g. 25:4-5) and the hadiths say otherwise and he was a successful merchant which implies some literacy and a lot of interaction with Christians and Jews. Denigrating the prophet seems a strange stance to take.
Why would you expect any one single person to have made such a claim? Multiple people over many years would have narrated various passages and stories.
The idea that there was no exposure to the beliefs and teachings of people in the area is ludicrous.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Especially in the Middle East, where a huge chunk of the trade goods going around from from Africa, Europe, and Asia were passing through.
outhouse
Atheistically
It did not come into existence by known mythology.
Life factually evolved on this planet.
A supermassive black hole expanded/exploded, is our best hypothesis.
The universe is full of black holes.
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outhouse
Atheistically
This is avoided completely because its true.
Many truths are avoided and ignored culturally when it can point to the opposite to the faith of islam.
A
angellous_evangellous
Guest
I have my doubts not about the science of radiocarbon dating itself, but about the significance of the interpretation. I wonder - has radiocarbon dating surpassed the many other methods of dating a text? That is, I don't know if radiocarbon dating has overturned scholarly consensus on the dating of other texts that used other methods of dating.
To me, the significance of the dating would be more useful to prove that the documents were much more recent than religious leaders or scholars had originally thought. For example, if a text was thought to be dated in 100 CE but the radiocarbon dating of the manuscript placed the text at 450CE -- that would prove without doubt that the text could not have been written by someone who lived long before that time.
But radiocarbon dating of a parchment within a stone's throw of the supposed author's life -- that looks like it supports authorship rather than denies it.
outhouse
Atheistically
Except scholars generally follow that he compiled traditions together in his collections that would later be turned into a book.
The date just shows the possibility of details we already know took place.
This has as much importance if we found a scrap of the passion in Mark and it dated 40CE to 70CE, It would show the passion was possibly a written tradition not oral that the community attributed to mark used in their compilation of text.
Look at what would happen if a scrap of Mark if dated to 20 CE. Personal opinion and bias would take over. Isnt that what is happening with what Evans and Wallace? over the scrap of possible early Mark late first century? Its suspicious this has not been released yet.
Anyway to answer your question consensus is rarely achieved on important text, and IMHO it would depend on the quality of the Paleographic evidence and style of text.
I think rcD should be applied and then typical methods to see if any fine tuning could be coaxed out of it