Koran dated to before Muhamad birth.

[outhouse]

Many verses were revealed according to the events occurred in the era of Mohammed, so thinking that the quran were recorded before
the days of Mohammed is an irrational thoughts.

Irrational is to deny the plagiarized biblical mythology, in which I have already substantiated with credible sources.


Unlike you who has brought nothing more then bias and faith alone.

 

[FearGod]

I am not debating God, we are talking about a text.

You said "Then you accept that there is no logical arguments for God and it is an unjustified belief. Thus to believe in the Quran is unjustified. I doubt that you agree thus you use the word logical as an appeal rather than a method."

What is irrational is your inability to understand that a text need no be copied whole cloth. You absolutism of your religion is tripping you up. More so the OP text in question is not a complete Quran.

Was prophet Mohammed the first man to find the old manuscript and then decided to play the role of a prophet for finding few old verses ?
Do you believe such story ?

 

[outhouse]

Was prophet Mohammed the first man to find the old manuscript

No one is claiming this.


What is claimed is that he had many pervious traditions compiled, written and oral traditions.


What is not up for debate is that his sources or he plagiarized biblical mythology

 

[FearGod]

No god has ever been proven to exist scientifically. The burden of proof lies on those that make the claim he exist.

This is not part of the OP, lease start a new thread.

Why science can't prove that God doesn't exist ?
if it is as easy as 1 +1 = 2 , then prove it so we can reject faith and accept science regarding God's existence.

 

[Shad]

You said "Then you accept that there is no logical arguments for God and it is an unjustified belief. Thus to believe in the Quran is unjustified. I doubt that you agree thus you use the word logical as an appeal rather than a method."

You said you used logic. However as there is no argument for God which does not have sound and valid objections thus your belief in Islam is not logical. My whole point about god was to show your faulty logic, not to debate god as a concept. You missed the point.

Was prophet Mohammed the first man to find the old manuscript and then decided to play the role of a prophet for finding few old verses ?

Who said it was a complete text? I sure didnt. Thus you are constructing a strawman to cut down. However we do know that many of the stories within the Quran predate Islam by centuries. He could of repeated these stories and claimed authority he did not have to convince people. Just like every conartist with a religious slant has done throughout history.

Do you believe such story ?

No since it is strawman you constructed not something I said.

Try again.

 

[outhouse]

Thus to believe in the Quran is unjustified. I

Please start a new thread to discuss that topic.

There is a reason no credible scholar in the world uses that book for any credible history. But start a new thread.

 

[Shad]

Why science can't prove that God doesn't exist ?

Science doesnt deal with god as god supporters made god unfalsifiable in order to keep their cherished belief intact.

if it is as easy as 1 +1 = 2 , then prove it so we can reject faith and accept science regarding God's existence.

There is no evidence for god. Done and done.

Next!

 

[FearGod]

Irrational is to deny the plagiarized biblical mythology, in which I have already substantiated with credible sources.


Unlike you who has brought nothing more then bias and faith alone.

Actually the quran doesn't agree with the bible in many points, then how it is the plagiarized biblical mythology,
was the bible similarly the plagiarized mythology of Judaism.

 

[Shad]

Outhouse

Do you know of any Syriac sources which mirror the context of the manuscripts few verses?

 

[Shad]

Actually the quran doesn't agree with the bible in many points, then how it is the plagiarized biblical mythology,
was the bible similarly the plagiarized mythology of Judaism.

Plagiarism is not about wholesale copying, it can be paraphrased or include changes. However the stories in the Quran are found in earlier sources when not made up. Many of the stories of Moses existed for centuries before Islam. Repeating these stories is a form of plagiarism as 1. Mo claimed to receive this knowledge from god rather than the existing stories around him 2. gave no credit to the sources of the stories around him. Outside of religion this is plagiarism

 

[Flankerl]

if it is as easy as 1 +1 = 2

Oh oh I wouldn't go there. There are so many ways in math to give you pretty much any result that you ever wanted to 1 + 1 = X.

 

[FearGod]

Science doesnt deal with god as god supporters made god unfalsifiable in order to keep their cherished belief intact.

If we can create life from null then that will be a scientific proof.

There is no evidence for god. Done and done.

Next!

What science says about life created from null ? if you have perfect answers then we will listen to you.

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse

Do you know of any Syriac sources which mirror the context of the manuscripts few verses?

Just the ones you posted. Its not really my area of study bud.

 

[outhouse]

Actually the quran doesn't agree with the bible in many points, then how it is the plagiarized biblical mythology,

Plagiarized means someone rewrote and changed the text to meet different cultural needs.

was the bible similarly the plagiarized mythology of Judaism.

That is 100% accurate. And Judaism plagiarized Canaanite and Mesopotamian mythology, the same exact way islam plagiarized the biblical mythology.

What science says about life created from null ?

Abiogenesis and or panspermia, with abiogenesis in the oceans leading the way, due to half a million years and chemistry.

We know more then you can imagine

 

[outhouse]

if you have perfect answers then we will listen to you.

Hypocrite much? You dont have a perfect answer, you don't even have an educated guess. You have mythology that factually did not take place as written.

 

[Godobeyer]

Why would you thimk that a full translation would be needed? A fair degree of tranmission of religion would have been oral, literacy levels were not that high in the poorer classes.

that's may required in some cases .

since Prophet was Illiterate , how you explain that no one a Jew or Christian claim that he recit to him Gospel nor Torah nor Talmud . IN THAT TIME !!!

 

[outhouse]

Why science can't prove that God doesn't exist ?

Science does not prove mythology or imagination or theology does not exist.

No god exist scientifically because there is NOTHING to observe

 

[outhouse]

how you explain that no one a Jew or Christian claim that he recit to him Gospel nor Torah nor Talmud . IN THAT TIME !!!

You don't even know your own history? No one claims jews or christians recited anything Muhammad had access to these previous traditions

Muhammad's views on Jews were demonstrated through the contact he had with Jewish tribes living in and around Medina. His views on Jews include his theological teaching of them as People of the Book (Ahl al-Kitab), his description of them as earlier receivers of Abrahamic revelation; and the failed political alliances between the Muslim and Jewish communities.


In the course of Muhammad's proselytizing in Mecca, he viewed Christians and Jews, both of whom he referred to as "People of the Book", as natural allies, sharing the core principles of his teachings,

 

[Godobeyer]

You don't even know your own history? No one claims jews or christians recited anything Muhammad had access to these previous traditions

Muhammad's views on Jews were demonstrated through the contact he had with Jewish tribes living in and around Medina. His views on Jews include his theological teaching of them as People of the Book (Ahl al-Kitab), his description of them as earlier receivers of Abrahamic revelation; and the failed political alliances between the Muslim and Jewish communities.


In the course of Muhammad's proselytizing in Mecca, he viewed Christians and Jews, both of whom he referred to as "People of the Book", as natural allies, sharing the core principles of his teachings,

the Neighbor of Prophet Muhamamd (pbuh) was a Jew , so that Jew never claim that Prophet Muhamamd (pbuh) ask him for help , nor anyone else .

 

[outhouse]

Well I already knew this was coming so it is my fault. Hey at least threats of eternal punishment have lightened up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mythology


Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology