Female Pedophiles & Sexual Predators

[Paranoid Android]

Ignoring the structure of your OP, and focusing on the point...

Yes, equality is good.
Women should be as equally persecuted as men for the same crime.

You've hit a wall here, though.
This OP should have been presented in a more rational way.
When reading it I feel as though I'm hearing my childhood priest giving praise to Jesus and damning the non-believers.

"For the righteousness of equality women must suffer the same amount of persecution and prison violence as men!
Their mental health be damned! Their reasons be damned! Their lives be damned!"
Is basically what I read.[/QU


Yes. Exactly my point. But people STILL treat women differently. There is STILL the assumption only GOOD things and rights should go to them. Not true. For equality, they should face face the same persecution as men do. I totally agree.
!@#$%^&*() letting woman off a sinking ship first. They can die just as well as a man can. I do agree children, whether male or female, should get off first. But !@#$%^&*() women get off first. They can !@#$%^&*() die like everyone else.

 

[Paranoid Android]

A good writeup of my opinion of this thread as well, take my like.[/QUOT




I think your opinion is good. Feminist and Meninist are fighting for the same thing: EQUALITY.

 

[dust1n]

Sorry about typo's, words missing in that last response PA. Typing in a hurry right before leaving work.

 

[dust1n]

Yes, equality is good.
Women should be as equally persecuted as men for the same crime.

If your equal persecution means doing more injustices to one gender to match the injustices of another, I fail to see how the sentiment is productive.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I see all people equally, as I am asexual and care little for differences between genders.
Treating a woman better than a man isn't something I do, nor vice versa.
Equal rights is almost something I support by default.

So on this subject, equal treatment is good.
What you are doing is preaching equal treatment from a predominately male perspective.
That is counter productive, imo, and doesn't at all help your argument.

Drop the airs and speak on the subject from a less aggressive viewpoint and you'll get better feedback.

 

[Deathbydefault]

If your equal persecution means doing more injustices to one gender to match the injustices of another, I fail to see how the sentiment is productive.

No, equal persecution as in equal punishment for equal crime.
If a man molests a girl and a woman molests a boy, they should serve the same amount of jail time.

 

[dust1n]

No, equal persecution as in equal punishment for equal crime.
If a man molests a girl and a woman molests a boy, they should serve the same amount of jail time.

Agreed. My contention with the OP is a stipulation that because males are unfairly raped in prison, and apparently not enough is being done about it, females should also be raped in prison.

But if any adult is molesting a child regardless of genders involved, then obviously there would be equality in sentencing/punishment/and treatment. Ideally...

 

[Deathbydefault]

Agreed. My contention with the OP is a stipulation that because males are unfairly raped in prison, and apparently not enough is being done about it, females should also be raped in prison.

But if any adult is molesting a child regardless of genders involved, then obviously there would be equality in sentencing/punishment/and treatment. Ideally...

Indeed.

 

[Deathbydefault]

A good writeup of my opinion of this thread as well, take my like.

Lol, I thought I replied to this already.
Thanks for the like

 

[Paranoid Android]

The perceived problem is that the two groups hate each other. They are both looking for double standards of the other and making propaganda that will help them win over an audience.

They should both just grow up and use the term humanist already. The two words feminist and meninist are long dead, with societies perception of both the chances of anything major happening in the first world under those two "movements" is unlikely.[/QUOTE


I agree. The Conservatives and Liberals, the Republicans and Democrats-they try to include anger and hate so people will not consider logical, rational points. That's why I consider myself a Centrist, politically.
But I believe if people will analyze issues using logic and reason, then we will decide that it doesn't matter. If your for universal values, then I agree with you. I think that is something that Feminists and Meninists can agree with.

 

[gsa]

Just in general, the judicial system is more favorable to women than men despite the crime or sentence, it was discovered by a study that men being judged by the federal court would be given 63% longer sentences for the exact same charges/crimes as their female counterparts.

Standing alone, this really doesn't mean much. You are talking about a more limited subset of criminal offenses, that being federal. And while the charges are sometimes the same, the circumstances are usually different, and those show up in sentencing. So a sentencing disparity is not that unexpected.

To give an example, let's say that a man and woman are both charged with traveling across state lines to have sex with a minor. The man shows up with a video camera and has been talking with a fictional father for the last three months about having sex with his daughter. The woman shows up without those additional facts. There are going to be some significant differences in culpability, which has nothing to do with the gender of the offenders and everything to do with the nature of the offense.

 

[Revoltingest]

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You're putting your response in quotes, which makes it hard to read.

 

[Deidre]

Justice should be equal between the genders, for the same crimes committed. Men do receive harsher sentences, look at the recent case of the 15 year old boy who slept with a 48 year old woman. If the age of consent law was violated, and it was...she should have received the same sentence as a man would have received, if circumstances were the same. She was charged with statutory rape, I believe, but the sentence was 48 weekends in jail. Hardly a sentence that a man would have received.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ck-ravens-cheerleader-rape-case-jail-sentence

 

[McDoogins]

No one should be raped regardless of their crime, including rape or even genocide.

I view rape as a sexual form of cannibalism.

 

[Jumi]

More lenient sentencing for a female perp is accurate compared to severity of the crime in many cases of this.

 

[Paranoid Android]

For gender equality to mean anything, we have to see if there sentenced the same at the same level. An example of this is comparing a female and a male found guilt of pedophilia arrested and sentenced to prison (NOT federal). Do females get sentenced the same as males ? We have to follow the evidence and not give in to our emotions.

 

[Deathbydefault]

For gender equality to mean anything, we have to see if there sentenced the same at the same level. An example of this is comparing a female and a male found guilt of pedophilia arrested and sentenced to prison (NOT federal). Do females get sentenced the same as males ? We have to follow the evidence and not give in to our emotions.

Well, there is something of a "sufficient reason" I've seen used before.
Apparently male pedophiles cause more mental and physical damage than female pedophiles in most cases.
I've no idea of the validity of that claim, just using reference.

So is it fair to sentence a man longer than a woman if they did the same crime, but the man did more damage?

 

[Paranoid Android]

Well, there is something of a "sufficient reason" I've seen used before.
Apparently male pedophiles cause more mental and physical damage than female pedophiles in most cases.
I've no idea of the validity of that claim, just using reference.

So is it fair to sentence a man longer than a woman if they did the same crime, but the man did more damage?

Where did you read that male pedophiles do more damage than female pedophiles ? Excuse me, could tell me please if a male murderer does more damage to the family of the victims than a female murderer does damage to the family of the victims ?

 

[dust1n]

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/pessimism-about-pedophilia

 

[Deathbydefault]

Where did you read that male pedophiles do more damage than female pedophiles ? Excuse me, could tell me please if a male murderer does more damage to the family of the victims than a female murderer does damage to the family of the victims ?

Even without a cited source it would seemingly be common sense that men would do more sexual damage than women.
And, depending on the child's age, more mental damage as well.