Abram

[Thief]

I was thinking.......oh, oh......

Picture yourself as God....yes you can.....and you are having thought with Abram.

He says to you ...I do love you, my Lord God.
and you in return ask him.....Do you love me more than your own blood?

The question is important as it leans to the moment went a man dies....and his blood is no longer his.

In response Abram might say ....yeah!....and pledges to prove it.
(there's that problem of 'proof'....again!)

He claims he would kill his own son.....his blood.....

So, You sit back on your throne and give it s moment of thought.....would he do it?!
and You then say to him....Go! do this!......for Me!

and in that last possible moment as Abram shows he is committed....your angel is sent and stays the hand of Abram.

I have paraphrased the event described in scripture.
It is not displayed as it is written.

I was just thinking.
How about you?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I couldnt imagine asking my creation to murder His child for me. That shows more concern for his obedience than of life. Instead, Id probably say "if you love me take care of your son till old age and so that he will love me too." The whole scene made me irritated when I read it.

I was thinking.......oh, oh......

Picture yourself as God....yes you can.....and you are having thought with Abram.

He says to you ...I do love you, my Lord God.
and you in return ask him.....Do you love me more than your own blood?

The question is important as it leans to the moment went a man dies....and his blood is no longer his.

In response Abram might say ....yeah!....and pledges to prove it.
(there's that problem of 'proof'....again!)

He claims he would kill his own son.....his blood.....

So, You sit back on your throne and give it s moment of thought.....would he do it?!
and You then say to him....Go! do this!......for Me!

and in that last possible moment as Abram shows he is committed....your angel is sent and stays the hand of Abram.

I have paraphrased the event described in scripture.
It is not displayed as it is written.

I was just thinking.
How about you?

 

[BSM1]

I read somewhere that this story is God showing the Israelites the futility of human sacrifice.

 

[JayJayDee]

In actuality, it is showing Abraham's descendants and all who read the account, what it means to sacrifice a precious son. The emotions of the Father and his faith in the promises that were made concerning the son, shows us the surety of what is to take place in the future.

For the purpose of the illustration, Abraham represents God who is asked to sacrifice his precious only begotten son.

Abraham's willingness to offer his son and the son's willingness to be offered, picture Jehovah and Jesus.

The son was a free willed being and could easily have refused to be the sacrifice. But his faith in his father was absolute.
It was God who asked it, so Abraham reasoned that God could raise him back to life, because all the promises God made had to come through Isaac.

Hebrews 11:17-19...."By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac. He had received the promises, yet he was ready to offer up his only son. God had told him, “Through Isaac descendants will carry on your name,” and he reasoned that God could even raise him from the dead, and in a sense he received him back from there."

This is nothing more than an object lesson. You can trip over the details, or see and appreciate the bigger more wonderful picture.

 

[arthra]

A son was something Abraham had sought most all His life and in the culture of the time..having a son was a blessing. God promised Abraham you'll recall that His descendants would be numerous.. Sarah His wife was too old to bare children so an arrangement was made for Hagar to conceive. She bore Abraham a son Ishmael... Later Sarah conceived and bore Isaac. There were also some tribes in the general area that believed in sacrificing their children.

See:

Child sacrifice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the Qur'an the story is that Abraham has a dream that He should sacrifice His son and He shares this dream with his son who agrees to be sacrificed!

103 Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);'''
104 We called out to him: "O Abraham! 105 You have fulfilled the dream!" Verily thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers - See 2:112).
106 Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial. 107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. ??? - a ram);

Qu'ran 37:99-113

 

[The Enlightened One]

Depends on my levels of omnistuffs

 

[Thief]

You people do understand.....I posted as if Abram would offer proof.
I suspect it was not God's idea.

I do strongly suspect....when dealing with the presence of Something Greater.....people overreact.
They then make offerings and pledges they cannot ....nor should......keep.

 

[Iti oj]

I was thinking.......oh, oh......

Picture yourself as God....yes you can.....and you are having thought with Abram.

He says to you ...I do love you, my Lord God.
and you in return ask him.....Do you love me more than your own blood?

The question is important as it leans to the moment went a man dies....and his blood is no longer his.

In response Abram might say ....yeah!....and pledges to prove it.
(there's that problem of 'proof'....again!)

He claims he would kill his own son.....his blood.....

So, You sit back on your throne and give it s moment of thought.....would he do it?!
and You then say to him....Go! do this!......for Me!

and in that last possible moment as Abram shows he is committed....your angel is sent and stays the hand of Abram.

I have paraphrased the event described in scripture.
It is not displayed as it is written.

I was just thinking.
How about you?

If a man could kill his son for me he neither loves nor knows me.

 

[Iti oj]

Reasonable point right here.

You people do understand.....I posted as if Abram would offer proof.
I suspect God it was not God's idea.

I do strongly suspect....when dealing with the presence of Something Greater.....people overreact.
They then make offerings and pledges they cannot ....nor should......keep.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is a story.

What was the storyteller seeking to convey?​

What did the audience hear?​

What was the take-away?

​

 

[Nakosis]

I kind of figured that Abraham realized human sacrifice to God was stupid and turned his own hand away.

Just used the story to convince people that God didn't want people killing their kids.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

In actuality, it is showing Abraham's descendants and all who read the account, what it means to sacrifice a precious son. The emotions of the Father and his faith in the promises that were made concerning the son, shows us the surety of what is to take place in the future.

So many excuses are made for why Abraham knew God wasn't going to let him go through with it, that God had made other pledges to him that would indicate that somehow it would be made right. Because we know it would be wrong for a father to sacrifice his son.

But think on this - God didn't stay His own hand. He sacrificed His son. It doesn't matter who it was for - it makes Him no father I want to have. If God exists, then He offered my brother to be killed.

 

[JayJayDee]

So many excuses are made for why Abraham knew God wasn't going to let him go through with it, that God had made other pledges to him that would indicate that somehow it would be made right. Because we know it would be wrong for a father to sacrifice his son.

But think on this - God didn't stay His own hand. He sacrificed His son. It doesn't matter who it was for - it makes Him no father I want to have. If God exists, then He offered my brother to be killed.

That is such a twisted view of what God and his son did for the human race. You take the ultimate act of love on the part of two of the most powerful beings in existence and put an entirely flawed human spin on their motives. How sad that you miss the magnanimous, undeserved gesture that was made on our behalf.

God's laws are perfect...so perfect, in fact that he abides by them himself. His stated law was "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life". This was non negotiable. The law demanded equivalency. Anyone who took a life was to pay with his own.

Adam disobeyed and suffered the penalty by losing his own life. But he passed his imperfection on to his children, who were now subject to sin and death through no fault on their part. To fulfill the law, an equivalent life had to be offered to release Adam's children from the genetic curse he passed onto them. (Ron 5:12) A perfect life was lost and only an equivalent perfect life could cancel the debt and rescue Adam's offspring. Jesus came as a perfect human to offer to pay a ransom for us. He paid the price of our release.

The insignificance of humankind compared to those who dwell in the spiritual realm is unimaginable. To fully appreciate that a vastly superior being would volunteer to serve as a sacrifial lamb for us, deserves our gratitude, not our criticism and condemnation.

God did not by-pass his law, nor did he just wipe out the rebels and start again. He had endowed his intelligent creation with free will. Was this a mistake? Does our ability to exercise our own will make it impossible for us to obey the will of our perfect God? NO!

We are all exercising our right of choice in all we do and believe. If we have a distorted human view of what God has done and is doing, then we will miss out on all that Jesus' sacrifice guarantees for us. The future is bright, thanks to him. But God forces no one to believe in, or worship him. He leaves that choice to you and me.....we need to make sure that our decisions are based on truth and not some twisted view provided by God's enemy.

 

[Awoon]

I was thinking.......oh, oh......

Picture yourself as God....yes you can.....and you are having thought with Abram.

He says to you ...I do love you, my Lord God.
and you in return ask him.....Do you love me more than your own blood?

The question is important as it leans to the moment went a man dies....and his blood is no longer his.

In response Abram might say ....yeah!....and pledges to prove it.
(there's that problem of 'proof'....again!)

He claims he would kill his own son.....his blood.....

So, You sit back on your throne and give it s moment of thought.....would he do it?!
and You then say to him....Go! do this!......for Me!

and in that last possible moment as Abram shows he is committed....your angel is sent and stays the hand of Abram.

I have paraphrased the event described in scripture.
It is not displayed as it is written.

I was just thinking.
How about you?

The whole story is a dream, or just another chapter from the writer's thought. Human sacrifice was the way of the land, Abram questioned it and the writer makes God, or in his dream God stops him. People should notice that there seems to always be "Angels" in these stories. Well where are they today? Dead and buried with their God? No one writes stories like those in the Bible anymore? Never existed outside of campfire stories or in print?

 

[JayJayDee]

The whole story is a dream, or just another chapter from the writer's thought. Human sacrifice was the way of the land, Abram questioned it and the writer makes God, or in his dream God stops him. People should notice that there seems to always be "Angels" in these stories. Well where are they today? Dead and buried with their God? No one writes stories like those in the Bible anymore? Never existed outside of campfire stories or in print?

Who says so?

 

[Awoon]

Who says so?

I do. I'm the only one that matters for me.

 

[JayJayDee]

I do. I'm the only one that matters for me.

Yeah I figured that.

 

[Awoon]

Yeah I figured that.

Ya see, I'm not out to make a bunch clones like the Jw's are.

 

[Thief]

The whole story is a dream, or just another chapter from the writer's thought. Human sacrifice was the way of the land, Abram questioned it and the writer makes God, or in his dream God stops him. People should notice that there seems to always be "Angels" in these stories. Well where are they today? Dead and buried with their God? No one writes stories like those in the Bible anymore? Never existed outside of campfire stories or in print?

Ever catch my real life story about the car accident I was in?
I would be dead several decades....but for intervention.

I cannot affirm to the point of proof....but if you like I can tell the story again.

 

[Thief]

I kind of figured that Abraham realized human sacrifice to God was stupid and turned his own hand away.

Just used the story to convince people that God didn't want people killing their kids.

I might agree ...if...
you can see the change in the mind and heart of Abram.
then that change is noted even to the change of his name.

Bear also in mind....Abraham was focused on God.