How could first big-bang explode?

[Rick O'Shez]

No, I specifically said there's no reason to assume something came from nothingness, or has to, or that "nothingness" is even a thing.

I don't think we currently have any way of thinking about "before" the big bang. Arguments like "something from nothing" are framed in terms of the Newtonian mechanics which shapes our everyday world, but these principles have no meaning "before" the big bang.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't think we currently have any way of thinking about "before" the big bang. Arguments like "something from nothing" are framed in terms of the Newtonian mechanics which shapes our everyday world, but these principles have no meaning "before" the big bang.

If and when the existence of multiverse(es) is known, then pre big-bang existence of 'thing' will become a whole knew concept to research.

And since some Galaxies have already been observed to be moving out of synchrony with the rest of our Universe the concept of multiverse is swinging into view strongly.

....all very exciting.....

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I don't think we currently have any way of thinking about "before" the big bang. Arguments like "something from nothing" are framed in terms of the Newtonian mechanics which shapes our everyday world, but these principles have no meaning "before" the big bang.

This was something I explained a couple of posts earlier to ben d, and was dismissed and insulted for doing so.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
How does one know that ONE is not creating?

One doesn't.

It is an attribute of ONE to create and He does it all the time (in absolute terms) and He does not get tired from doing it:

[55:30] Of Him do beg all that are in the heavens and the earth. Every day He reveals Himself in a different state.
The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

We don't actually know what happened at all because we weren't there. We can only guess and speculate from very minimal observations.

Till we get something concrete from science there is no harm in knowing what ONE has told who evolved/created all this.
Am I right? Please

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[paarsurrey]

Again, if you say that nothing must be something, then it can't be nothing, can it? Nothing is not the same as something, is it? So if there was something instead of nothing for the space to expand into, then that something must've been put within something too. Or was that something that space expanded into a something that was created inside a nothing? If you say that's impossible, then it is impossible regardless if God did it or not.

You may continue writing on science for fun if it is about something for which science has nothing concrete to tell.

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[paarsurrey]

No confusion here....it is you who does not understand....I have referred to big bang theory as a theory consistently....and I do not believe it is credible. There are others who believe the theory is credible, and others again who are agnostic...

Are you denying that there aren't people who believe in the big bang theory as a scientific fact?

Sure there are people who take science as a religion/faith and believe it as a fact. They are mythical about science as there are people who are mythical about religion. Both sides abound with such people.

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[paarsurrey]

Theory....A tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena..

I agree with you.
There is no big difference between a belief and theory, I think.

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[paarsurrey]

What beginning...there was no beginning ...you just suppose there was.. If you have proof there was a beginning, please explain how all that exists come from nothing....

One of the attributes of ONE is Al mubdi` in Arabic or The Originator/The Beginner.
So we cannot ask who created Him as it would be inappropriate and unreasonable.

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[Ouroboros]

It's part of the weirdness that the expansion is accelerating rather than slowing down.

Yes, it is.

And someone told me that it expands faster than the speed of light even. Right now.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes, it is.

And someone told me that it expands faster than the speed of light even. Right now.

Why acceleration? Please

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[paarsurrey]

I don't think we currently have any way of thinking about "before" the big bang.

Yet we think? Is it inappropriate?
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[Ouroboros]

Why acceleration? Please

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Because. It just does.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sure there are people who take science as a religion/faith and believe it as a fact. They are mythical about science as there are people who are mythical about religion. Both sides abound with such people.

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True...even though they are in unconscious denial, the luciferian satanists, atheists, agnostics, etc., since they deny a power higher than mere mortals, still need a father figure to avoid feeling like orphans, and grasp at the science of big bang creation from nothing theory as a substitute for the concept of God creation. And their belief is just as fanatical as the religious fundamentalists whom they detest. Big bang scientism...a Clayton's religion one has when not having one...

 

[metis]

True...even though they are in unconscious denial, the luciferian satanists, atheists, agnostics, etc., since they deny a power higher than mere mortals, still need a father figure to avoid feeling like orphans, and grasp at the science of big bang creation from nothing theory as a substitute for the concept of God creation. And their belief is just as fanatical as the religious fundamentalists whom they detest. Big bang scientism...a Clayton's religion one has when not having one...

Agnostics and some "non-theists" do not deny a "power higher", nor do they tend to have "fanatical" beliefs in this area. The BB is not a "substitute" for God. "Scientism" doesn't exist in science with any serious scientist.

Frankly, the above is a rather bizarre post.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Agnostics and some "non-theists" do not deny a "power higher", nor do they tend to have "fanatical" beliefs in this area. The BB is not a "substitute" for God. "Scientism" doesn't exist in science with any serious scientist.

Frankly, the above is a rather bizarre post.

If it doesn't apply to yourself...no sweat... BtwI, it was written tongue in cheek and was certain to get a rise from some...

 

[psychoslice]

Have to be extra large though.

Yep, I know non other lol.

 

[The Enlightened One]

Frankly, the above is a rather bizarre post.

I'm assuming it was a fallacious statement made with me in mind since I'm the only one I've encountered with that label, likely because I disagreed with with a demonstrably incorrect definition - the rest idk lol.

 

[The Enlightened One]

Yay, we're having fun

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yet we think? Is it inappropriate?
Regards

A lot of it is.