How could first big-bang explode?

[The Enlightened One]

What beginning...there was no beginning ...you just suppose there was.. If you have proof there was a beginning, please explain how all that exists come from nothing....

I don't suppose anything, the strongest evidence so far is what led to the theory, supposing anything without evidence is faith. "The beginning" is just a place holder for the period everything seems to have originated, I'm not saying anything or nothing existed before this point. I can't explain how something comes from nothing.

Argue with the editors of WordWeb...that is straight from the dictionary...

If you want to argue semantics and definitions then I shall quote to you from Britannica:
"scientific theory, systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner."

The National Academy of Sciences:
Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

 

[Bunyip]

Theory....A tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena..

Sorry, I thought you meant scientific theory. Given that this is a cosmology thread - pretty amazing that you didn't.
Now look up 'scientific theory'. This thread is about SCIENTIFIC theories, not 'theory' in the colloquial sense. I apologise for assuming that you would know that,- especially given how foundational that simple distinction is to the topic in hand.
Theories are verified, they are drawn from the evidence - they are explanatory. If they were not verified, they could not rise to the status of theory.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I don't suppose anything, the strongest evidence so far is what led to the theory, supposing anything without evidence is faith. "The beginning" is just a place holder for the period everything seems to have originated, I'm not saying anything or nothing existed before this point. I can't explain how something comes from nothing.


If you want to argue semantics and definitions then I shall quote to you from Britannica:
"scientific theory, systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner."

The National Academy of Sciences:
Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

Just a more verbose way of explaining the same thing as the WordWeb dictionary ....a theory is merely an explanation that has passed peer review...but that does not mean it is true..

But what has this really got to do with the OP.....how did the big bang begin? So how about providing an explanation of how all the energy and mass of the universe come from nothing? And secondly, is big bang science able to prove the existence of nothing?

 

[Bunyip]

Just a more verbose way of explaining the same thing as the WordWeb dictionary ....a theory is merely an explanation that has passed peer review...but that does not mean it is true..

But what has this really got to do with the OP.....how did the big bang begin? So how about providing an explanation of how all the energy and mass of the universe come from nothing? And secondly, is big bang science able to prove the existence of nothing?

What on earth do you mean by 'the existence of nothing'?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry, I thought you meant scientific theory. Given that this is a cosmology thread - pretty amazing that you didn't.
Now look up 'scientific theory'. This thread is about SCIENTIFIC theories, not 'theory' in the colloquial sense. I apologise for assuming that you would know that,- especially given how foundational that simple distinction is to the topic in hand.
Theories are verified, they are drawn from the evidence - they are explanatory. If they were not verified, they could not rise to the status of theory.

Theories pass peer review, that does not mean they are true....the scientific method allows that if the theory can be falsified, it fails...so far this hasn't happened, but I predict it will...
But in any event....let's get back to the topic.....how did the big bang begin from nothing? And can science create nothing to prove this aspect of the theory?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What on earth do you mean by 'the existence of nothing'?

Read the thread...it is said that big bang theory posits that the Cosmos is expanding into non-spacial nothingness....

 

[Bunyip]

Theories pass peer review, that does not mean they are true....the scientific method allows that if the theory can be falsified, it fails...so far this hasn't happened, but I predict it will...
But in any event....let's get back to the topic.....how did the big bang begin from nothing? And can science create nothing to prove this aspect of the theory?

Can science create nothing?

- do you have a more fully thought through question?

 

[Bunyip]

Read the thread...it is said that big bang theory posits that the Cosmos is expanding into non-spacial nothingness....

Expanding into what Ben?
You do realise that writing 'expanding into non-spatial nothingness' would be easier to read if you write it ; "Not expanding into anything."?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Expanding into what Ben?
You do realise that writing 'expanding into non-spatial nothingness' would be easier to read if you write it ; "Not expanding into anything."?

So what is outside the big bang cosmic expansion bubble?

 

[Bunyip]

So what is outside the big bang cosmic expansion bubble?

You mean 'The Universe'.
What is outside of everything?

Um......nothing Ben.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Can science create nothing?

- do you have a more fully thought through question?

Can science create the condition at time zero of the big bang expansion?

And where was all this big bang energy coming from?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You mean 'The Universe'.
What is outside of everything?

Um......nothing Ben.

Well that is the nothing that science is not able to create to prove that that nothing exists....

 

[Bunyip]

Can science create the condition at time zero of the big bang expansion?

And where was all this big bang energy coming from?

What energy Ben? The sum total energy of the universe is zero.

 

[Bunyip]

Well that is the nothing that science is not able to create to prove that that nothing exists....

What? That is gibberish. Try again please.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What energy Ben? The sum total energy of the universe is zero.

Proof?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What? That is gibberish. Try again please.

You are playing dumb as you know it is the big bang theory which is nonsense....I ask you again...what is outside the big bang expansion bubble?

 

[Bunyip]

Proof?

How could it be otherwise Ben dude? Are you saying something can come from nothing? At least be consistent.

 

[Bunyip]

You are playing dumb as you know it is the big bang theory which is nonsense....I ask you again...what is outside the big bang expansion bubble?

Nothing.

 

[psychoslice]

I heard that it was more of a expansion than an explosion ?.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

How could it be otherwise Ben dude? Are you saying something can come from nothing? At least be consistent.

Don't play dumb...you can't prove it so at least be honest and accept it.....the energy of the universe is infinite...