Thought of by whom? By others? By you?I think ‘I' can be thought of as an experiential construct.
If you think of yourself as an experiential construct, have you not just created an object that you can observe? Is that object you?
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Thought of by whom? By others? By you?I think ‘I' can be thought of as an experiential construct.
Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make earlier, but I didn't know how.Thought of by whom? By others? By you?
If you think of yourself as an experiential construct, have you not just created an object that you can observe? Is that object you?
Person?Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make earlier, but I didn't know how.
(later) Whoa, I just had a flash. If the two unknowables are one, how can the experienced be experienced as the experience of a single person?
I mean, how can there be an experience of experiences that seems to be associated with a single body only? Bother, I don't know how to explain what my question is.Person?
Do you not experience the body? What is that which is experiencing? Is it the person?
Something other than the self. Sartre, quoting or agreeing with Hegel, says something like consciousness only exists as something that interacts with other things. So the supposition is that those things exist separate to the self, and it’s in the interaction with them that self is made aware that it exists. Or something like that.I can see it that way, but the construct could be reaching for something that is real, like a plant growing towards the sun. But what would "real" mean in that case?
Is person separate from body? I would say the experience of being a physical being is as much a part of self as anything else, or maybe it’s the only thing. If we lose a limb, for example, the self has to reconfigure to some degree. If we are just physical beings, which seems likely, the data that creates that sense of being a person is sensory data.Person?
Do you not experience the body? What is that which is experiencing? Is it the person?
Whenever I think of observing my self, I have to use my imagination to ideate what that might mean. There isn’t anything that naturally arises to be looked at. There’s no shift in focus as there is no dichotomy, as such. I don’t see any need to interpose a separation - me thinking about me is me thinking about me, not me thinking about something separate to myself.Thought of by whom? By others? By you?
If you think of yourself as an experiential construct, have you not just created an object that you can observe? Is that object you?
Is the person not just a term for the body/mind complex?Is person separate from body?
What is being reconfigured? Does awareness change as a result of losing a limb?I would say the experience of being a physical being is as much a part of self as anything else, or maybe it’s the only thing. If we lose a limb, for example, the self has to reconfigure to some degree. If we are just physical beings, which seems likely, the data that creates that sense of being a person is sensory data.
Can you observe these thoughts? Are they you? Or are they just temporary experiences you observe that come and go? What is it that es experiencing these thoughts of you?Whenever I think of observing my self, I have to use my imagination to ideate what that might mean. There isn’t anything that naturally arises to be looked at. There’s no shift in focus as there is nothing to focus on, as such. I don’t see any need to interpose a separation - me thinking about me is me thinking about me, not me thinking about something separate to myself.
But what do you think about the question of whether or not the experiencer exists? I'm thinking that maybe it's as meaningless as the question of whether or not a creator of everything exists. Or at least, speculating about it leads to vexation and madness as much for one as for the other. And is it even actually two different questions?Can you observe these thoughts? Are they you? Or are they just temporary experiences you observe that come and go? What is it that es experiencing these thoughts of you?
I think it can be said that mind arises from body. Without the body, there is no mind. But perhaps the self also needs an external environment to be in relation to.s the person not just a term for the body/mind complex?
What is being reconfigured would be an altered set of parameters, I would say. As in when I visited my childhood haunts as an adult, everything seemed really small. That adds to the gestalt of my experience and perspective, one more thing to add to the whole. The part of the brain (wherever that is) that manages a missing limb sometimes behaves as if it is still there; it doesn’t ‘know’ it no longer is. But the aggregate of data acted on by the brain, including memory, experience, recognition, sensory input, and whatever else, makes up the self that does know the limb is gone. The self isn’t apart from those black box parts of the brain, they are part of the self. If the brain is damaged, the self changes.What is being reconfigured? Does awareness change as a result of losing a limb?
Are you aware of this sensory data? What is it which is aware of this data?
I’m aware of thoughts arising as a result of some stimulus.Can you observe these thoughts? Are they you? Or are they just temporary experiences you observe that come and go? What is it that es experiencing these thoughts of you?
I am neither the experience, nor the object of experience, nor the experiencer...But what do you think about the question of whether or not the experiencer exists?
Easily solved with a nice cup of tea.vexation and madness
Define "god".If you think that the statements "God exists" and "God does not exist" can't have any meaning, what about "I exist" and "I do not exist"?
Who is asking?If you think that the statements "God exists" and "God does not exist" can't have any meaning, what about "I exist" and "I do not exist"?
Define "god".
Define "I".
I'm the one asking the questions here. If you need to know who is asking or definitions of words, then my question is not for you.Who is asking?
Then you have the answer.I'm the one asking the questions here.