Irony of the evolutionary belief

[SkepticThinker]

No, you haven't defended the charges brought against evolutionists by the great man Ray Comfort. He was asking for evidence of a transitional fossil. He wasn't asking for one which was merely adaption to it environment, as your trying to shoehorn in.

We need to see a fossil or a transient creature, you know like a pig with wings. Some believe pigs will fly, right

Why on earth would you or Ray Comfort expect to find a "pig with wings' in the fossil record??

 

[We Never Know]

Your macabre fantasy in playing with corpses is amusing.

Are you willing to admit you lie about finding blood cells in Dinosaur fossilized bone marrow is false?

What they found is specs of oxidized iron that were fossilized blood cells.

You like many dishonest creationists are having trouble with the ninth commandment.

Is it really a lie? A misunderstanding?

Dinosaur blood cells extracted from 75-million-year-old fossil​

Dinosaur blood cells extracted from 75-million-year-old fossil

Surprise discovery of bird-like blood cells in dinosaur bones suggests that fleshy remains might be commonplace even in poorly preserved fossils

www.newscientist.com

Molecular analysis supports controversial claim for dinosaur cells​

Molecular analysis supports controversial claim for dinosaur cells - Nature

New evidence adds heat to the argument over prehistoric dinosaur tissue.

www.nature.com

Blood from Stone: How Fossils Can Preserve Soft Tissue​

Blood from Stone: How Fossils Can Preserve Soft Tissue

Mounting evidence from dinosaur bones shows that, contrary to common belief, organic materials can sometimes survive in fossils for millions of years

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[YoursTrue]

That is easy to show. AiG and other creationists sites have a statement of faith that people have to swear to. I can link it if necessary.

ok. Nevertheless, aside from wondering what exactly they're swearing to -- not all those believing in the power of God to affect things believe the same way. Obviously. That is one reason why I ask about "creation scientists." Because as we can see here--on various threads--some believe one way about God in relation to the Bible and others believe something else about God in relation to the Bible.

 

[YoursTrue]

Is it really a lie? A misunderstanding?

Dinosaur blood cells extracted from 75-million-year-old fossil​

Dinosaur blood cells extracted from 75-million-year-old fossil

Surprise discovery of bird-like blood cells in dinosaur bones suggests that fleshy remains might be commonplace even in poorly preserved fossils

www.newscientist.com

Molecular analysis supports controversial claim for dinosaur cells​

Molecular analysis supports controversial claim for dinosaur cells - Nature

New evidence adds heat to the argument over prehistoric dinosaur tissue.

www.nature.com

Blood from Stone: How Fossils Can Preserve Soft Tissue​

Blood from Stone: How Fossils Can Preserve Soft Tissue

Mounting evidence from dinosaur bones shows that, contrary to common belief, organic materials can sometimes survive in fossils for millions of years

www.scientificamerican.com

Now that is very interesting. I will check it out hopefully when I have more time.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You're talking out of both sides of your hate. Now your trying to tell me that we went from pond scum to fully finished specimens and we by passed the Crockoduck stage. Man you're confused

There is no "crocoduck stage."

 

[YoursTrue]

And this has what to do with your attitude toward science?

Because what's sadder than your wrongly perceived concept of my attitude towards science is the horror stories going on in the world today and before this as well. The fact you would even question as if you didn't understand my comment is telling. And sad. Unfortunately.

 

[walt]

Do you believe that, for example, every single time it snows outside that the god you believe in is personally designing every individual snowflake that falls from the sky?

If not, then perhaps you realize that things happen "by themselves" in nature every single day.

I believe God designs, makes each part, assembles what needs to be assembled and maintains everything involved, Just like we do when we make a robotic system to make automobiles. God makes the entire water cycle, just like people make the entire robotic system.

 

[walt]

Because they are detectable and measurable.

Detectable and measurable.

Also detectable and measurable.

Also detectable and measurable.

How do we detect and measure the god you believe in?

I don't understand your point, detectable and measurable, what does that have to do with anything?

 

[shunyadragon]

Is it really a lie? A misunderstanding?

Dinosaur blood cells extracted from 75-million-year-old fossil​

Dinosaur blood cells extracted from 75-million-year-old fossil

Surprise discovery of bird-like blood cells in dinosaur bones suggests that fleshy remains might be commonplace even in poorly preserved fossils

www.newscientist.com

Molecular analysis supports controversial claim for dinosaur cells​

Molecular analysis supports controversial claim for dinosaur cells - Nature

New evidence adds heat to the argument over prehistoric dinosaur tissue.

www.nature.com

Blood from Stone: How Fossils Can Preserve Soft Tissue​

Blood from Stone: How Fossils Can Preserve Soft Tissue

Mounting evidence from dinosaur bones shows that, contrary to common belief, organic materials can sometimes survive in fossils for millions of years

www.scientificamerican.com

Careful misleading headlines, What was actually found were fossilized remains of blood cells and NOT preserved blood cells, These discoveries rean fossilized remains even though the tissue remained soft.

Dinosaur blood cells extracted from 75-million-year-old fossil

Surprise discovery of bird-like blood cells in dinosaur bones suggests that fleshy remains might be commonplace even in poorly preserved fossils

www.newscientist.com

Instead, they found blood-like cells and collagen from 75-million-year-old dinosaur fossils – 10 million years before T. rex appeared.

Although the cells are unlikely to contain DNA, those extracted from better preserved fossils using the same technique may do so, she says.

And even without DNA, soft tissue cells and molecules could help us learn much more about dinosaur physiology and behaviour, the team says. For example, the physical size of blood cells can reveal insights into metabolism, and the possible transition from a cold to warm-blooded existence.

So far, such soft flesh tissues were only ever found in serendipitous fossils preserved in exceptionally rare circumstances, for example, by being frozen in ice or in a dry environment free of microbes that would otherwise break down the flesh, says Maidment.

Now that is very interesting. I will check it out hopefully when I have more time.

Don't get your hopes up. What they found were actual fossils though uniquely protected from deterioration,

 

[SkepticThinker]

I could never agree with any of the claims made by pseudo science, as they are directly opposed to my evidence based beliefs. So the only thing that separates us, is require evidence before I believe something and you settle for a fantastic baseless theory.

I have 100% proof for what I believe and put my trust in, but I can't prove my faith in God to you anymore than you can prove your faith in unproven theories to me. You have no evidence, yet you believe. All the while you claim I have blind faith, but that's exactly what you have and nothing more.

Oops, you've completely contradicted yourself here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

ok. Nevertheless, aside from wondering what exactly they're swearing to -- not all those believing in the power of God to affect things believe the same way. Obviously. That is one reason why I ask about "creation scientists." Because as we can see here--on various threads--some believe one way about God in relation to the Bible and others believe something else about God in relation to the Bible.

They have to swear that no matter what the evidence says that the myths of Genesis are true. You cannot do that in the sciences. One has to follow the evidence. Worse yet it affects their thinking. That keeps them from forming tests that could possibly show that their ideas are wrong. As a result they keep themselves from getting any evidence for their beliefs.

 

[Pogo]

Oops, you've completely contradicted yourself here.

Not if he is

Church of Christ, Scientist - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ,_Scientist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ,_Scientist​

6. Christian Scientists believe that matter—and sin—are illusions.
Christian Scientists believe that while matter (material existence) appears real to our physical senses, it is ultimately illusory. To discover what is ultimately real, we have to rely solely on “spiritual sense.” The “blessed purpose of Christianity” is therefore to “awaken thought spiritually.” For this reason, they believe Jesus provided proof that the “material senses themselves are mistaken about the nature of reality” and that he “showed that Spirit and its spiritual creation are the reality.” Sin and evil may appear to be real, but are merely a delusion. “The only reality of sin, sickness, or death,” Eddy wrote, “is the awful fact that unrealities seem real to human, erring belief, until God strips off their disguise.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ,_Scientist
It is a whole nother ball of wax understanding of reality.

 

[walt]

I believe God designs, makes each part, assembles what needs to be assembled and maintains everything involved, Just like we do when we make a robotic system to make automobiles. God makes the entire water cycle, just like people make the entire robotic system.

But there is a huge difference in something that God designs and makes, take for instance the water cycle, everything that happens in the water cycle, is invisible to the human eye, since humans can't see everything that's going on, people don't understand it like they would if they could see.

With a robotic system, we can see each part, understand fully how everything is accomplished, with the water cycle we can't see anything and our understanding is much more limited.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I believe God designs, makes each part, assembles what needs to be assembled and maintains everything involved, Just like we do when we make a robotic system to make automobiles. God makes the entire water cycle, just like people make the entire robotic system.

So you think god created the snowflake-making system? Or are you saying you think god creates every single snowflake? Your answer is somewhat ambiguous here?
How did you determine that the god you believe in exists and has created the water cycle?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't understand your point, detectable and measurable, what does that have to do with anything?

We know the things you listed exist, because we can detect and measure them.

Can we do that for the god you believe in? How did you determine some god exists?

 

[F1fan]

But there is a huge difference in something that God designs and makes, take for instance the water cycle, everything that happens in the water cycle, is invisible to the human eye, since humans can't see everything that's going on, people don't understand it like they would if they could see.

With a robotic system, we can see each part, understand fully how everything is accomplished, with the water cycle we can't see anything and our understanding is much more limited.

What do you understand about your God that it created genetic defects and diseases, like cancer? What is the intention?

 

[SkepticThinker]

But there is a huge difference in something that God designs and makes, take for instance the water cycle, everything that happens in the water cycle, is invisible to the human eye, since humans can't see everything that's going on, people don't understand it like they would if they could see.

With a robotic system, we can see each part, understand fully how everything is accomplished, with the water cycle we can't see anything and our understanding is much more limited.

What do you mean "we can't see anything" with the water cycle??

 

[walt]

But there is a huge difference in something that God designs and makes, take for instance the water cycle, everything that happens in the water cycle, is invisible to the human eye, since humans can't see everything that's going on, people don't understand it like they would if they could see.

With a robotic system, we can see each part, understand fully how everything is accomplished, with the water cycle we can't see anything and our understanding is much more limited.

Just because billions of things happen in what we call nature, since things happen that are invisible to the human eye, no one can really say anything happens all by itself in nature. There is pretty good proof things don't happen all by themselves, we should be able to draw a parallel with what's capable of happening in nature, are the same things capable of happening in our visible existence?

All people around the world, since the beginning of the history of man, can't get steps done all by themselves!! Let alone an entire project like a human being!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because what's sadder than your wrongly perceived concept of my attitude towards science is the horror stories going on in the world today and before this as well. The fact you would even question as if you didn't understand my comment is telling. And sad. Unfortunately.

Why do you think it is that most everyone who has interacted with you on these threads have all concluded that 1) You don't understand evolution (or the sciences in general), and 2) Your attitude towards science drips with contempt?

Could it be that your posts come across that way, perhaps? I mean, if everyone is telling you the same thing ....

 

[walt]

We know the things you listed exist, because we can detect and measure them.

Can we do that for the god you believe in? How did you determine some god exists?

No one can see things in nature, we know there is steps in for example the water cycle, but we can't understand them like if we could see each part in the entire process. We can see things in our visible existence, have you experienced things getting designed, things getting built, Things getting assembled, Even something as small as all the tools showing up for the repairman for the job he's supposed to do the next day.

Shouldn't we be able to draw a parallel in our visible existence, to what happens in nature in an invisible existence?