Mississippi Governor Proclaims Confederate Heritage Month

[Ignatius A]

Back in the day: the treason of the Confederates taking up arms against their nation.

Today: the treason of right-wing extremists trying to overturn the results of a democratic election with a half-assed coup.

Over 200.years ago..

But they didn't overturn anything. Being hysterical is not an argument. Leftists however actively create dissention through race and gender.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Over 200.years ago..

I guess you forgot about the topic of this thread. Hint: check the thread title.

But they didn't overturn anything.

Yes. Luckily, the conspirators were incompetent.

Still, "incompetent traitor" <> "not a traitor".

Being hysterical is not an argument. Leftists however actively create dissention through race and gender.

Respect, you mean. You are opposed to people you dislike being afforded full respect and being treated like human beings. You resent this and think that the people pushing for it have wronged you.

 

[Ignatius A]

You think supporting diversity (race, gender) is more divisive than disparaging it and wishing it would all go away? I can tell you, from the perspective of those being thus disparaged, that would be laughable.

Depends on what you mean by "supporting diversity". The NBA isnt very diverse, which I have no problem with by the way but I want to be clear, is it your contention that the NBA would be better and stronger if we "supported diversity" in the NBA.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

People don't live according to how you think they should live.

Yes, I know. You don't live as I'd prefer. I really wish you'd drop that conservative Christianity stuff, but alas, as you suggest, that's just how life is.

Unless it personally impacts you why do you care?

It doesn't and I don't.

Do you ask that question of conservatives who beset LGBTQ+? I'll bet not.

One of my favorite leftist arguments.

What are you calling a liberal argument? I didn't see any argument, just condemnation.

it's people with attitudes like yours that have divided America.

No, it's conservative indoctrination media that is responsible for that. It looks like you've spent a fair amount of time there yourself.

The treason of leftists dividing America based on race and now gender?

Yes, that is what they teach you. They teach you to resent and mock empathy, inclusivity, and egalitarianism.

You're the divisive voice in this thread. Isn't that where you learned to use the divisive term "leftist" and why you brought it here? It's people like you who imbibe that material, are manipulated into being resentful, and go on the offensive with terms like leftist, woke, and snowflake. Like I said, I wish it were otherwise, but nothing is going to change there, is it?

 

[Audie]

I don't understand this question.
But the answer is "No".

Traitors to the Crown, who held slaves.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Depends on what you mean by "supporting diversity". The NBA isnt very diverse, which I have no problem with by the way but I want to be clear, is it your contention that the NBA would be better and stronger if we "supported diversity" in the NBA.

I never think that sub-groups should necessarily resemble the super-groups they are part of. For example, I don't necessarily think it wise that the educational background of members of the AMA strongly resemble the educational background of US citizens overall.

I support diversity in society as a whole, but do not suggest that the membership of the local Catholic Church or Mosque must be isomorphically diverse to the larger communities in which they exist. I'm all for female fire-fighters, but only those females who can do the job at the required level.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Correct and that has been exploited by some people to create an America that I would suggest is as divided now as during the civil war.

I don't believe that this issue is as "black and white" (pardon the pun) as some people make it out to be. The vast majority of those I know who despise and criticize the South for its racist past also glorify and praise the United States, despite its nasty racist history against Native Americans. The truth is that the United States was founded on multiple tribal lands, either forcibly taken by the U.S. government (WASP men) through violating legal treaties with the tribes or by forceful removal and/or violently killing the tribes. Many of these tribes were forcefully removed and displaced onto Reservations, which were also referred to as prisoner of war camps (for example, the Pine Ridge Reservation is also known as Prisoner of War Camp #334). The tragic Trail of Tears, Sand Creek, and Wounded Knee also come to mind. And that's not to mention the fact that Native Americans were denied citizenship until the American Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 and denied religious freedom until the American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978. For the record, before this federal law, the religious and ceremonial dances of the tribes were illegal and punishable by imprisonment (read here). It's heartbreaking to even mention the "Kill the Indian, Save the Man" desecration of Native American culture and abuse that took place within the walls of the American Indian boarding schools.

In my personal opinion, if the people who want to criticize the Confederate South for its racism, social injustice, and enslavement of African-Americans, then it is only fair that they also criticize the United States for its racism, social injustice, and forceful displacement of the Native American tribes. I've noticed that this is hardly the case, though, and excuses are often made to justify what happened to these tribes during the history of this country that proudly professes to be the land of the free and home of the brave. Like I said, racism against minorities and social injustice didn't just exist in the South.

 

[tytlyf]

The voters are the problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

Traitors to the Crown, who held slaves.

Oh, **** the Crown.
They shouldn't have attacked here for any reason.
We'd just have kicked their pigu anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

The voters are the problem.

Hey, look at you!
Taking my view!
Woohoo!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you ******* kidding me?!

Reeves Proclaims Confederate Heritage Month in Mississippi

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves declared April 2024 as Confederate Heritage Month in Mississippi, keeping alive a tradition that began in 1993.

www.mississippifreepress.org

Like it or not, the south has deep traditions and pride which includes the Confederacy and Dixie.

Keep in mind the north had slaves as well even during the war , not to mention it never lost its racist mentality pretty much same as the south , so no one can criticize the north had the upper moral hand here , so if people still want to keep their southern heritage alive and honor those who had fallen in the civil war, I have no problem with it as slavery is no longer a theme for the south, but rather preserving the good aspects that southern traditions and customs have to offer.

Tradition not hate. I'm sure people have came across that slogan.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No matter how anyone tries to change history and the historical record, just read the Articles of Secession and you can see how central racism and slavery both were to the Confederate cause. I mean, they were front and center.

It was mostly over states rights but slavery was definitely a factor as free and slave states bickered for political clout.

 

[Ignatius A]

Yes, I know. You don't live as I'd prefer. I really wish you'd drop that conservative Christianity stuff, but alas, as you suggest, that's just how life is.

It doesn't and I don't.

Do you ask that question of conservatives who beset LGBTQ+? I'll bet not.

What are you calling a liberal argument? I didn't see any argument, just condemnation.

No, it's conservative indoctrination media that is responsible for that. It looks like you've spent a fair amount of time there yourself.

Yes, that is what they teach you. They teach you to resent and mock empathy, inclusivity, and egalitarianism.

You're the divisive voice in this thread. Isn't that where you learned to use the divisive term "leftist" and why you brought it here? It's people like you who imbibe that material, are manipulated into being resentful, and go on the offensive with terms like leftist, woke, and snowflake. Like I said, I wish it were otherwise, but nothing is going to change there, is it?

I wish youd drop the self absorbed leftist (sorry for the redundancy) but it seems inbred.

I have heard the "if it doesn't effect you why do you care argument" so often from leftists I thought it was the leftist motto. You trying to deny that confirms what we already know about leftists. The rest is drivel.

 

[Ignatius A]

I don't believe that this issue is as "black and white" (pardon the pun) as some people make it out to be. The vast majority of those I know who despise and criticize the South for its racist past also glorify and praise the United States, despite its nasty racist history against Native Americans. The truth is that the United States was founded on multiple tribal lands, either forcibly taken by the U.S. government (WASP men) through violating legal treaties with the tribes or by forceful removal and/or violently killing the tribes. Many of these tribes were forcefully removed and displaced onto Reservations, which were also referred to as prisoner of war camps (for example, the Pine Ridge Reservation is also known as Prisoner of War Camp #334). The tragic Trail of Tears, Sand Creek, and Wounded Knee also come to mind. And that's not to mention the fact that Native Americans were denied citizenship until the American Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 and denied religious freedom until the American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978. For the record, before this federal law, the religious and ceremonial dances of the tribes were illegal and punishable by imprisonment (read here). It's heartbreaking to even mention the "Kill the Indian, Save the Man" desecration of Native American culture and abuse that took place within the walls of the American Indian boarding schools.

In my personal opinion, if the people who want to criticize the Confederate South for its racism, social injustice, and enslavement of African-Americans, then it is only fair that they also criticize the United States for its racism, social injustice, and forceful displacement of the Native American tribes. I've noticed that this is hardly the case, though, and excuses are often made to justify what happened to these tribes during the history of this country that proudly professes to be the land of the free and home of the brave. Like I said, racism against minorities and social injustice didn't just exist in the South.

Makes me wonder why so "minorities" would want to come to such a horrible place. I mean if I was living in some poop hole country i cant imagine why I would risk my life to get into a country, even illegally, thats going to trest me so badly.

 

[Revoltingest]

Like it or not, the south has deep traditions and pride which includes the Confederacy and Dixie.

Keep in mind the north had slaves as well even during the war , not to mention it never lost its racist mentality pretty much same as the south , so no one can criticize the north had the upper moral hand here , so if people still want to keep their southern heritage alive and honor those who had fallen in the civil war, I have no problem with it as slavery is no longer a theme for the south, but rather preserving the good aspects that southern traditions and customs have to offer.

Tradition not hate. I'm sure people have came across that slogan.

The north had slaves too!
There's great justification for celebrating
a war to keep slavery alive by killing US
soldiers.

 

[Ignatius A]

I guess you forgot about the topic of this thread. Hint: check the thread title.



Yes. Luckily, the conspirators were incompetent.

Still, "incompetent traitor" <> "not a traitor".



Respect, you mean. You are opposed to people you dislike being afforded full respect and being treated like human beings. You resent this and think that the people pushing for it have wronged you.

I treat people the way they behave. Behave like an animal I treat you like an animal. BTW I couldn't care less if you respect me only how you behave.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

But they didn't overturn anything. Being hysterical is not an argument. Leftists however actively create dissention through race and gender.

As a former conservative, I've had more contenious interactions with conservatives than with liberals. In my past experiences, it was conservatives who actively created dissension through race and gender, not the liberals I've met throughout the years of my life. It was conservatives who called me a "half-breed" and told me that my Indian blood was dirty and that I would burn in hell for all eternity if I didn't forsake my Indian heritage. When I was a young teenager, an outspoken conservative Baptist preacher said within earshot of me that the entire worth of Indians could be found at the bottom of a whiskey bottle, and this was after he called me a half-breed and said that my Indian blood was dirty. For the record, I have Choctaw and Cherokee ancestry. And finally, I've never heard any liberals I've known throughout my lifetime call African-Americans 'n*****s,' Hispanics 'wetbacks,' Native Americans 'drunken injuns,' or homosexuals 'f**s.' I have, however, heard a lot of the conservatives I've known throughout my life use these vile derogatory terms in reference to the groups of people I mentioned. As I said, these are my experiences. I shared more of my past interactions with conservatives in the following post.

The Endless Non-Stop Support Of Trump

Trump is seen as a savior by fools, bigots, & Christian nationalists. You forgot racists. :)

www.religiousforums.com

 

[Ignatius A]

As a former conservative, I've had more contenious interactions with conservatives than with liberals. In my past experiences, it was conservatives who actively created dissension through race and gender, not the liberals I've met throughout the years of my life. It was conservatives who called me a "half-breed" and told me that my Indian blood was dirty and that I would burn in hell for all eternity if I didn't forsake my Indian heritage. When I was a young teenager, an outspoken conservative Baptist preacher said within earshot of me that the entire worth of Indians could be found at the bottom of a whiskey bottle, and this was after he called me a half-breed and said that my Indian blood was dirty. For the record, I have Choctaw and Cherokee ancestry. And finally, I've never heard any liberals I've known throughout my lifetime call African-Americans 'n*****s,' Hispanics 'wetbacks,' Native Americans 'drunken injuns,' or homosexuals 'f**s.' I have, however, heard a lot of the conservatives I've known throughout my life use these vile derogatory terms in reference to the groups of people I mentioned. As I said, these are my experiences. I shared more of my past interactions with conservatives in the following post.

The Endless Non-Stop Support Of Trump

Trump is seen as a savior by fools, bigots, & Christian nationalists. You forgot racists. :)

www.religiousforums.com

Then I'm glad you left

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I wish youd drop the self absorbed leftist (sorry for the redundancy) but it seems inbred. I have heard the "if it doesn't effect you why do you care argument" so often from leftists I thought it was the leftist motto. You trying to deny that confirms what we already know about leftists. The rest is drivel.

So you don't see yourself as contentious, hostile, and divisive? I do.

And no, the rest was right on the money as this comment from you confirms. There is zero chance of a person like you and a person like me coming together ever because you are so angry that you won't have it. And the reason why has already been explained. From the pen of the poet:

Now, they take him, and they teach him, and they groom him for life
And they set him, on a path where he's bound to get ill
Then they bury him with stars
Sell his body like they do used cars

Now he's hell-bent for destruction, he's afraid and confused
And his brain has been mismanaged with great skill
And all he believes are his eyes
And his eyes, they just tell him lies

 

[SkepticThinker]

It was mostly over states rights but slavery was definitely a factor as free and slave states bickered for political clout.

"States rights" as it pertained to owning human beings as property (aka slavery.)